Human rights or a Navy we can be proud of?

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  1. Superb opinion piece by Charles Moore

    Human rights or a Navy we can be proud of?

    John Buchan wrote: "The sea has formed the English character and the essential England is to be found in those who follow it. From blue waters they have learned mercifulness - and they have also learned - in the grimmest of schools - precision and resolution. The sea endures no makeshifts. If a thing is not exactly right it will be vastly wrong."

    I came across Buchan's words in another book, to which they lend the title. Endure No Makeshifts is the naval recollections of Admiral of the Fleet Sir Henry Leach.

    Twenty-five years ago, Sir Henry was the First Sea Lord, and furious with the proposed government cuts in the Royal Navy.

    At 6pm on March 31, 1982, he reached his office after a day inspecting a weapons establishment.

    Leach read the intelligence reports and briefs about the South Atlantic that awaited him. The intelligence reports said that an Argentine invasion of the Falklands was imminent.

    The briefs said that further naval deployments were unnecessary. Shocked by the incompatibility of the facts and the advice, he hurried in search of his ministerial boss, John Nott, and arrived in the House of Commons still in his day uniform.

    Nott was in conclave with the Margaret Thatcher, and Leach was shown in. Everyone present was in a state of gloom about what could be done in the Falklands.

    Mrs Thatcher asked Sir Henry: "Could we really recapture the islands if they were invaded?"

    Leach replied: "Yes, we could and in my judgment (though it is not my business to say so) we should." Mrs Thatcher asked why. "Because if we do not," he answered "in another few months we shall be living in a different country whose word counts for little."

    This was a Wednesday night. The following Monday, the Task Force embarked for the Falklands, and recaptured them in weeks.

    A quarter of a century on, the Navy failed to protect its own sailors patrolling Iraqi waters. As a result, they were captured by Iran.

    During that capture, they wrote letters and made broadcasts apologising for what they had not done (straying into Iranian waters) and criticising British policy.

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  2. It is an interesting question:

    What does people want: an army or peacefull wealthy life?

    Of course the answer is obvious. In theory the main purpose of any army is not to feed foreign one. Without external threat there are no reasons to keep a huge army (and navy).

    As for the question in the title then the UK can be proud of both - its democratic traditions and its glorious navy.
  3. People want a peaceful wealthy life Sergei. But they have to realise that to maintain and protect the peace they need a good insurance policy. That policy is a military strong enough to perform the tasks that its masters (or in our case its Mistress) require.

    Bellasarus many years ago wrote many years ago 'If you want peace prepare for war' and fifty years ago George Orwell reminded society that the reason they could sleep at night was because there were a few rough men prepared to defend them.

    The above article is excellent. We is this country have a set of freedoms fought for over many centuries, Magna Carta and the Bill of Rights being the main codifiers. We have a Government that has ignored those freedoms and done it's very best (though it's best is pretty poor) to destroy them whilst giving us a set of Rights which the politicians think they control. The lunatics are running the asylum.
  4. Couldn't agree more. Sivis pacem - para bellum. If you don't wish to feed your own army then you will have to feed foreign one.