Hugo Chávez - Hero or Villain

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  1. The U.S are seeking to block any attempt for Venezuela to have a permanent seat on the UN Security Council.

    It has been reported on the US State Department website that Venezuela has become the Terrorism Hub of South America and it's regime is increasingly out of step with the world.

    Is Chávez a worry in the Southern Hemisphere or are the Yanks just upset because he is an ardent critic of their foreign policy?.
  2. Goatman

    Goatman LE Book Reviewer

    Ver, VER interesting dit on Venezuala's importance to the US in Kaplan's
    << Imperial Grunts >> which is a very readable account of US Army /SOF colonial policing...hck,hck is ...ah..the War Against Tare around the world from The Philippines via Mongolia to Colombia.......apparentely they get a high proportion of their sweet crude from that neck of the woods.

    The US also sought to depose him ( under Bush One I think) in a half-assed coup. It sorta backfired when the local Army regiment remained loyal to the President who had been democratically elected on an overwhelming majority of a free and fair election.

    Of course, Chavez is no more the People's Hero that he decks himself out to be than the soon-to-be-The-Late Fidel....

    -cf << The Best Democracy Money Can Buy >> by Angeleno Greg Palast

    Le Chevre
  3. He's a Hero mainly because of the way he upsets the Americans, his giving free heating oil to the American poor last winter in marginal Republican Congressional areas was a stroke of Genius. Notice how anyone who the Yank big business does not like gets tagged with the 'harbouring terrorists' line.
  4. Shouldn't 'Dangerous Clown' be one of the poll options? :wink:
  5. Nehustan

    Nehustan On ROPs


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    Journalist: 'Do you have anything to say to George Bush's comments?
    CHAVez: 'Am I bovered, am I bovered tho?'[/align]
  6. VIVA Chavez!!!!!
  7. I have terrible wind today but nevertheless..heroic villain!
  8. Sounds like a good restaurant up the West-End of London. :D
  9. ....God help us.... 8O

    It would seem that a person's liking for Chavez is usually in proportion to said person's distance from Venezuela, which goes a long way towards explaining why he's so popular with the usual suspects in the West - oh well, plus ça change... :roll:
  10. Or a persons' liking because his mum is from there, still has family there in the Venezuelan lower middle class who all seem happy with Chavez, though they regard him as a bit chavezta?

    Ram your pseudo-world weary patronising remarks Gallowglass.
  11. Gallowglass - usual suspects? He was democratically elected in EU certified 'free and fair' elections and is very popular with the locals, prehaps not the skulking minority you hang out with in Caracas, miffed at having to pay a minimum wage are they?
  12. Oh dear...well (I mean this in a non-patronising manner) your family over there will be lucky to be still part of the Venezuelan lower middle class by the time Chavez is finished with the country. From what I have read in a number of sources - and I'll grant that I don't therefore have the sort of access and insight you have PTP - it seems the the middle class in particular are feeling the blowback of Chavez's policies, else I don't imagine so many of them would be trying to get out. Perhaps your family, if they're going to stay, having little option but "seem happy with Chavez", dissent being something he doesn't apparently take too kindly too. He also seems to have no aversion to extra-democratic practices, as evidenced by his attempted 1992 coup.

    A serious question - have their lives improved under Chavez?

    He is undoubtedly 'chavesta', and also seems to have an unhealthy fixation with Castro, at whose eventual funeral he will doubtless appear in widow's weeds :wink:

    I know this is wikipedia, but scroll down to 'Criticism' -

    Chavez would not be the first tin-pot dictator to be 'democratically elected'. Does his cuddling-up to such well known 'democrats' as Mugabe , Saddam Hussein (in 2000), and the lunatic-in-chief in Iran not somewhat undermine his democratic credentials in your mind?

    (I'd best watch myself on my Pimpernel-like visits to Caracas in future :wink: - wouldn't want to get set-upon by a gang of chavistas, or worse, have to listen to Chavez's televised bore-fest 8O)

    *edited for rubbish spelling
  13. Good friend of mine works extensively throughout South America, and in Venezuela in particular. He says Chavez is an ex para officer who went to work for and was eventually bankrolled by some guy who had an insurance company. This firm now handles all the Government insurance, and it's owner is substantially wealthier than before.

    As for Chavez - he describes him as a a man who preaches socialism and fair do's for all whilst bringing in the fundamentals of a police state. People are learning not to be critical of Mr Chavez in public.

    My chum by the way is very Lib Dem and not at all a Republican type, so if he is worried then there is something to worry about.

    Sounds very much like the way Peron started, win popularity with the peasantry by a mixture of Nationalism and Xenophobia and clouting the rich whilst building a state security system that eventually reminds everyone who the boss is.
  14. Hitler and mussolini were both democratically elected, despite their extremist politics, as was Tony Blair. (shurely shome mishtake? Ed.)
  15. Gallowglass quoting wikipedia as your source is not doing you any favours, all rather 'dodgy dossier' old love also I notice that the poll has Chávez in front by popluar vote - prehaps you should organise some sort of coup?