How will the Ukraine war end?

How will the Ukraine war end?

  • Rebels win,Eastern Ukraine goes independent

    Votes: 85 49.7%
  • Putin invades Kiev, NATO doesn't move

    Votes: 47 27.5%
  • Putin invades Kiev, NATO fights Russia

    Votes: 10 5.8%
  • Rebels lose, Ukraine stays united

    Votes: 29 17.0%

  • Total voters
    171

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Source? Last I heard they're pushing for more Ukrainian language programmes but not discriminating against Russian: Ukrainian language set for media boost in new law - BBC News
Of course, it is a discrimination of Russian (and other local languages).

A country which steals bits of neighbours lands for its own
It is what everybody do. It is not nationalism or Nazism - it is a normal part of historical process. For example, annexion of GDR by Germany.

We're talking about Europe not Russia
Nazism is an European invention, you know. And reborn of Nazism is an actual trend in EU and NATO.

But really we are talking about Ukraine.
Just imagine. If, after Neo-Nazi coup in Brussel, Europeans will not recognise Brexit referendum, and will send armed forces and bandgroups of "volonteers" to force you to be to stay in EU. Will you fight with weapon in your hands for freedom and wealth of England or wait untill Brussels Junta will allow you to make another referendum? Yes, Brussels Junta said that will never allow you to hold this referendum.
 

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There you go again.
You may be able to lie in multiple dialects of Russian, but you are really bad at it in English.
But better that you in Russia.
Truth does NOT mean "What Moscow says this morning".
I'd give it up if I was you.
Really Russians know languages much better that Englishmen. So, we have much more ways to compare sources, and to have our own opinion. Most of Russians have relatives in Ukraine and can speak with them. We are much more informed, that make direct lie very difficult for official propaganda.
Westies, usually, are uninformed about real situation in Russia, Ukraine and other points of Earth outside of Angloshere.
 
So, what idea of language politic are you endorse more?
1) Minorities (or local majorities) should have right to speak, write, listen, teach and use in official conversations their own languages (Russian, Tatars, Hungrian, Moldavian, Polish).
2) Only Ukrainian should be aviable for any official or public usage, everybody who don't want to use it - should be expelled or killed. Ukraine is for Ukrainians only!
You missed the point. You revealed your Russian imperialism and racism when describing Ukrainian as a pseudo language. Whatever its development history it's a recognised language. And you know full well that during Russia's domination of the Soviet Union, the Russian language was also dominant to the detriment of local languages. And describing it as a peasant language was a common put down during Soviet times and this is the legacy that Ukraine is dealing with. No-one is suggesting Russian speakers should be expelled or killed.

Kapusta for brains should stop playing the yollop
 
YarS, post: 8029667, member: 132226"]Nazism is an European invention, you know.
Oh really? So not just Germany then?

And European Russia is in ............Europe. So Russia is part of the problem. And with neo fascists like you in Russia, I can see why.

And reborn of Nazism is an actual trend in EU and NATO.
Another typical fanciful vodka soaked kapusta brained yollop of @YarS statement.
 
Of course, it is a discrimination of Russian (and other local languages).
After the overt suppression of the country let alone its language for so long, its an understandable stance. A bit like the promotion of Welsh here.
It is what everybody do. It is not nationalism or Nazism - it is a normal part of historical process. For example, annexion of GDR by Germany.
Not anymore. It's so last century if not the one before. GDR was occupied by a foreign power. As was Ukraine. Russia guaranteed Ukrainian independence and recognises German reunification.
Nazism is an European invention, you know. And reborn of Nazism is an actual trend in EU and NATO.
That's rich. You have a great many Nazi's and allied with them. The NSDAP was formed in Germany, not Europe.
But really we are talking about Ukraine. Just imagine. If, after Neo-Nazi coup in Brussel, Europeans will not recognise Brexit referendum, and will send armed forces and bandgroups of "volonteers" to force you to be to stay in EU. Will you fight with weapon in your hands for freedom and wealth of England or wait untill Brussels Junta will allow you to make another referendum? Yes, Brussels Junta said that will never allow you to hold this referendum.
We're talking about the difference between Europe and Russia. It's like comparing apples and antelopes. Your scenario would not happen in Europe, only in Russia
 

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Oh really? So not just Germany then?
Of course, no. There were also Italian Nazism, Spain Nazism. Ideology of nacial/racial superiority was a part of official world outlook. And even in signs it was very official.






If you want more info (I very doubt in it) read some history books, for example
Anglo-Saxon Roots Of German Nazism

And European Russia is in ............Europe. So Russia is part of the problem. And with neo fascists like you in Russia, I can see why.
I'm not a "facist". If you need labels, I'm "Christianists". Christians from Ethiopia are my brothers, and West Heretics and Neo-Pagans are my "enemies". I don't segregate people by their colour of skin, I segregate them by ideology and Faith.



Another typical fanciful vodka soaked kapusta brained yollop of @YarS statement
Heroisating of Waffen-SS murders official NATO video "Forest brothers" was demonstrated in the thread about Baltic.
 
Heroisating of Waffen-SS murders official NATO video "Forest brothers" was demonstrated in the thread about Baltic.
Source? And not another agitprop site please
 
YarS, post: 8029791, member: 132226"]Of course, no. There were also Italian Nazism, Spain Nazism. Ideology of nacial/racial superiority was a part of official world outlook. And even in signs it was very official.

If you want more info (I very doubt in it) read some history books, for example
Anglo-Saxon Roots Of German Nazism
Dear me. All I see from that article is someone attempting to make a case for Nazi 'roots' in Britain and mixing up cause and effect and making spurious conclusions.

You need to try harder. 1/10. And you only got the 1 because you know how to make links to stupid articles.

I'm not a "facist". If you need labels, I'm "Christianists". Christians from Ethiopia are my brothers, and West Heretics and Neo-Pagans are my "enemies".
Ok, ok. Keep your shirt on. Your a christian in denial with his fascist tendencies. I get it.

I don't segregate people by their colour of skin, I segregate them by ideology and Faith.
...............and then shoot them. Yeah, I know. How very christian of you.


Heroisating of Waffen-SS murders official NATO video "Forest brothers" was demonstrated in the thread about Baltic.
I didn't see any hero worship of the Waffen SS in the film. Are you seeing something that isn't there.

According to this, whilst much of the forest brothers were remnants of the Baltic SS and German anti partisan units as well as some trapped German units, this is only the case at war's end. Soviet policy swelled the ranks from locals who weren't in the SS after the war.

Forest Brothers - Wikipedia

The ranks of the resistance swelled with the Red Army's attempts at conscription in the Baltic states after the war, with fewer than half the registered conscripts reporting in some districts. The widespread harassment of disappearing conscripts' families pushed more people to evade authorities in the forests. Many enlisted men deserted, taking their weapons with them.
 
I thought the 'picture' of Russian citizens protesting the war in Moscow extremely apposite. As if such a thing would happen in Moscow:


Why aren’t Russians protesting against war crimes in Syria?
As the situation in Aleppo deteriorated in November 2016, a small opposition group, the 5 December Party, called for protests against the mass murder of Syrian civilians and the destruction of their schools and hospitals by Russian and Syrian armed forces. Demonstrations were held across Russia on 20 November, in an important attempt to get the message to Russian citizens that serious war crimes were being committed in their name and at their expense.

The initiative was supported by a number of civic organisations, and received attention from the Russian press and on social media. Anti-war protests were also held in Kirov, Saratov, Stavropol, Rostov and Voronezh, albeit with little resonance. In Moscow, where you can rely on the prospect of publicity, our initiative encountered opposition from the authorities.

Not only did Moscow’s municipal authorities bar us from protesting in the city, but didn’t offer an alternative location instead — in direct violation of the law. After great persistence, the organisers of the event managed to bring the case to the courts. Yet the courts only bothered to rule on the case a fortnight after the proposed date for the protest, and not until two weeks before it (as the law mandates). Naturally, they found no legal violations in the municipality’s actions.
 
I thought the 'picture' of Russian citizens protesting the war in Moscow extremely apposite. As if such a thing would happen in Moscow:


Why aren’t Russians protesting against war crimes in Syria?
And when they do protest, which does happen, they're deemed illegal and get 'crushed'.

So much for freedom of speech.

But some on this thread may say it's just allegations, political interference by the west, useless to protest even though the government is full of crooks and thieves, etc., etc.,etc., Ah well, we in the west just don't understand.
 

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Agitprop, only believed by 'useful idiots': About/Impressum

Socialism (NSDAP) being much more akin to Communism
OMG! Communism is also West ideology, my little uneducated friend. And yes, now GB is more socialistic state that Russia. Practical differences between GB and 3rd Reigh were less that differences between Pepsi and Coca-Cola.

Really we recognise as "important" different signs of facism. For us - attacking neighbours is a part of usual historical process, but intolerance by racial or national signs is something new, strange, and in case of Russophobia - dangerous. So, for Russians, facism is an "Agressive Russophobia".
For modern Brits, "Agressive Russophobia" is a part of their usual life, but "attack of neighbours" (say nothing about far countries) is something new.
 

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...............and then shoot them. Yeah, I know. How very christian of you.
First action is not shoot, but teach, of course. But agressive anti-Christians (like modern Westies), of course are threaty to Russia and all humanity.

I didn't see any hero worship of the Waffen SS in the film.
That is another evidence, that you is Nazi. Can fish see a water?

According to this, whilst much of the forest brothers were remnants of the Baltic SS and German anti partisan units as well as some trapped German units, this is only the case at war's end.
Finishing of Waffen-SS remains and their collaborants was a continue of Great Patriotic War for Soviet People. And only in your double-thinking brains "bad" Waffen-SS are transforming in "good" Forest Brothers, "good" anti-Soviet "Al-Qa'idah" transforms in "bad" anti-West "Al-Qa'idah", that transforms in "good" anti-Assad "Jabhat an-Nusra".

For Russians all Islamists (south radical anti-Russians) are equal - they are "dushmans" and all Romanists (west radical anti-Russians) are equal - they are "faciests".

And there are no seriouse difference between ISIS murders of Christians in Lybia, and NATO murders of Christians in Serbia. Both of you are enemies of Christian world and all humanity, and both of you will be eliminated soon.
 

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You're so lawful and law abiding, that none of your Olympic team take banned drugs with the connivance of the FSB.
Ha! And your "sportsmen" take that drugs with permission of WADA. Ha-Ha-Ha.

You're so lawful that none of your politicians and judges are corrupt, and they're not a nest of crooks and thieves as @KGB_resident points .
Some of them are corrupt, but most are honest and lawful. Don't mix "corruption" and "creating of hidden reserves".


And salo may fly.
Transcript of George Bush speache.
CNN.com - Transcript: President Bush speech in Warsaw - June 15, 2001

Can you find words "no more Munichs, no more Yaltas"?

It was declaration of starting preparations for new World War.
 
OMG! Communism is also West ideology, my little uneducated friend.
When did I say it wasn't?
And yes, now GB is more socialistic state that Russia. Practical differences between GB and 3rd Reigh were less that differences between Pepsi and Coca-Cola.
I prefer Pepsi. Much as I'm glad I don't live in a land that is stealing parts of its neighbours, is run by crooked oligarchs and has a persecution complex
Really we recognise as "important" different signs of facism. For us - attacking neighbours is a part of usual historical process, but intolerance by racial or national signs is something new, strange, and in case of Russophobia - dangerous. So, for Russians, facism is an "Agressive Russophobia".
Finally, you recognise the difference between fascism and Nazi'ism. We know you still have the behaviour that you should occupy and/or control your near abroad.
For modern Brits, "Agressive Russophobia" is a part of their usual life, but "attack of neighbours" (say nothing about far countries) is something new.
Russophobia implies we're actually bothered by Russians. If you weren't stealing bits of your neighbours and threatening others we couldn't care less.
 

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You missed the point. You revealed your Russian imperialism and racism when describing Ukrainian as a pseudo language.
WTF? It can not be "racism", becouse there are no biological differences between Ukrainians and other Russians.
Yes, I'm Imperialists, but is not political question. I know, that most Alaskians are English speakers, but we shall return it any case.
It is linguistic question, so let's see what are differences between official Russian and official Ukrainian languages.
1. Some différents of prononciation - change Russian "o" and "u" (in some positions") on "i", Russian "i" to "y" (there are no such sound in English, so native English speakers use "i" for both "y" and "i" in Russian). Russian "g" and "k" (in some positions) should be changed to "h".
2. Using as many Polish and Turkish words as it possible. For example, "square" in Russian is "ploshad", and in Ukrainian there are two words - Polish "plosha" (mainly for city squares" and Turkish "Maidan" (mainly for village objects).
3. They have one more grammar case ("calling case") that is reduced in modern Russian as "Thou" is reduced in modern English.
4. No more differences.

Do you really think that differences between words "jopa" and "dupa" ("ass" and "arse") are enough, to call American English or Ukrainian - "different language"?


Whatever its development history it's a recognised language.
And some linguists can recognise Hindish or American English - separated languages. It is their problems. We are talking about reality. And in our practical reality there are no barrier between Russian and Ukrainian.

And you know full well that during Russia's domination of the Soviet Union, the Russian language was also dominant to the detriment of local languages.
Of course, Russian was dominant, becouse of its practical use. But there was official, state-sponsored politic of Ukrainisation. After starting of independence, "invisible hand of market" finished all translations in Ukrainian of fiction books and media. Ukrainisation can not be result of free market - it's result of government regulation and violence.

And describing it as a peasant language was a common put down during Soviet times and this is the legacy that Ukraine is dealing with.
Really not. Official politic of Soviet Union of support of local languages. Some times, as in case of Ukraine, too seriouse Ukrainisation. And yes, Ukrainian language was based on dialects of Russian or Rusin language on the lands of Austro-Hungary and Poland, where Russians were occupied and supressed peasunts. There was really no "Ukrainian" cities and towns until 1917 - villages, farms, field camps.

No-one is suggesting Russian speakers should be expelled or killed.
So, for many of modern Ukrainians you are "quilted jacket" (Vatnik), supporter of terrorists and separatists. They declare, that Ukraine is for Ukrainians.

Kapusta for brains should stop playing the yollop[/QUOTE]
 

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After the overt suppression of the country let alone its language for so long, its an understandable stance. A bit like the promotion of Welsh here.
Really Ukrainian was supressed in years of "independence" by "invisible hand of market". There are very little amount of readers, who will preffer buy book or film in Ukrainian, when he option to buy Russian one. That's why even writers living in Ukraine preffer to write in Russian. For example, "Russian Tom Clancy" - Fedor Beresin is living in Donesk.

Not anymore. It's so last century if not the one before.
Ha! Do you really believe in mad stories about "End of History" from this old faggot Fukuyama? History is not finished, and West superiority is going to end, and wolf's will be hawling in ruins of London of Washington.

GDR was occupied by a foreign power.
Yes! And this force was NATO.

As was Ukraine. Russia guaranteed Ukrainian independence
Sure. And Ukraine will be free from NATO forces.

and recognises German reunification.
Yes. And Germans didn't recognise Russian reunification. Ungrateful bastards.
That's rich. You have a great many Nazi's and allied with them. The NSDAP was formed in Germany, not Europe.
Germany is a part of Europe. And it was why Europe had accept Nazi's government so easily - without any fight.

We're talking about the difference between Europe and Russia. It's like comparing apples and antelopes. Your scenario would not happen in Europe, only in Russia
This scenario was many times repeated in the past of Europe, and will be many times repeated in future (of course, if we shall not genocide you in this war).
 

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