How will the Ukraine war end?

How will the Ukraine war end?

  • Rebels win,Eastern Ukraine goes independent

    Votes: 107 48.9%
  • Putin invades Kiev, NATO doesn't move

    Votes: 63 28.8%
  • Putin invades Kiev, NATO fights Russia

    Votes: 13 5.9%
  • Rebels lose, Ukraine stays united

    Votes: 36 16.4%

  • Total voters
    219
Military parade in Donetsk today (24 June 2020). The parade itself begins from 24:00

 
Military parade in Donetsk today (24 June 2020). The parade itself begins from 24:00

That ‘captured’ kit from 00:36 onwards, scrubs up well.

They need some lessons from Tubby III’s lot about marching and variety. I thought the Soviet Russian independent republics armed forces had women?
 
That ‘captured’ kit from 00:36 onwards, scrubs up well.

They need some lessons from Tubby III’s lot about marching and variety. I thought the Soviet Russian independent republics armed forces had women?
Yes, there is a lot of women in the separatists armed forces. You may see also teenagers - members of local patriotic organisation, cadets from Donetsk military school, members of so called TA (territorial army). They keep uniforms and weapons at home, work as ordinary citizens but can be summoned within a few hours.
24 June 1945 (75 years ago) military parade in Moscow marked a victory of the Soviet union in the war with Germany. So there were parades in Moscow (impressive one as ever) and in some other Russian cities (including Sevastopol). A part of the parade in Donetsk was historical reconstruction. You may see T-34 and people in Soviet war time uniforms.
 
....A part of the parade in Donetsk was historical reconstruction. You may see T-34 and people in Soviet war time uniforms.
Yep, saw the T34/85, ‘Katyusha’ as mentioned by the presenter, and other historical kit. Again, makes you wonder where it all came from.
 
Yes, there is a lot of women in the separatists armed forces. You may see also teenagers - members of local patriotic organisation, cadets from Donetsk military school, members of so called TA (territorial army). They keep uniforms and weapons at home, work as ordinary citizens but can be summoned within a few hours.
24 June 1945 (75 years ago) military parade in Moscow marked a victory of the Soviet union in the war with Germany. So there were parades in Moscow (impressive one as ever) and in some other Russian cities (including Sevastopol). A part of the parade in Donetsk was historical reconstruction. You may see T-34 and people in Soviet war time uniforms.
Yes, it's not like the Soviets, errm, Russians are obsessed with WW2. Still, it distracts the peasants from how corrupt good old Vlad the Botty Impaler and his gang of crooks are eh?
 
Yes, it's not like the Soviets, errm, Russians are obsessed with WW2.
Are they the only ones?

Given the scale of destruction visited on them in the course of the war, it's hardly surprising they feel it reflects well on them as a nation. It was an astounding effort.
 
Are they the only ones?

Given the scale of destruction visited on them in the course of the war, it's hardly surprising they feel it reflects well on them as a nation. It was an astounding effort.
Anybody seen the series ‘Soviet storm.’

I get slightly frustrated that nobody that produced it thought about replacing Cyrillic maps to English . Other than that a great series .
 

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Yes, it's not like the Soviets, errm, Russians are obsessed with WW2. Still, it distracts the peasants from how corrupt good old Vlad the Botty Impaler and his gang of crooks are eh?
well the pan european superstate agenda is still going on and NATO has nicked their buffer states in their desperation to have a big ole war.

can't blame them really, as they say just because you are paranoid.........

mind you in one way I'm glad the west is being so stupid because Russia makes some pretty good stuff and is even sorting out its historical inability to feed itself and is saving its gold now rather than blowing it on western food supplies, the joys of capitalism means that same gold can be leveraged 200 times. something a certain Mr Brown failed to understand.

I still think the UK has more to gain from a positive relationship with Russia instead of kowtowing to the US agenda all of the time.

and we can hardly complain about their obsession with WW2 if it wasn't for Hitler there'd be nowt on the telly.
 
Are they the only ones?

Given the scale of destruction visited on them in the course of the war, it's hardly surprising they feel it reflects well on them as a nation. It was an astounding effort.
And yet. Stalingrad was the knife edge. If the 6th could have been sustained or relieved we might be looking at different history. WW2 could have lasted a lot longer with us defending the Persian oil fields and gateway to India. More importantly a lot of Russian troops were wavering, If the wehmacht had better logistics and the Russian troops knew. Mass defection was inevitable.
Paulus was the Nazi version of our Percival
 
Yes, it's not like the Soviets, errm, Russians are obsessed with WW2. Still, it distracts the peasants from how corrupt good old Vlad the Botty Impaler and his gang of crooks are eh?
If you think the Russians are obsessed with WW2, you ought to see the English.
 

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