How will the Ukraine war end?

How will the Ukraine war end?

  • Rebels win,Eastern Ukraine goes independent

    Votes: 107 48.9%
  • Putin invades Kiev, NATO doesn't move

    Votes: 63 28.8%
  • Putin invades Kiev, NATO fights Russia

    Votes: 13 5.9%
  • Rebels lose, Ukraine stays united

    Votes: 36 16.4%

  • Total voters
    219
Military parade in Donetsk today (24 June 2020). The parade itself begins from 24:00

 
Military parade in Donetsk today (24 June 2020). The parade itself begins from 24:00

That ‘captured’ kit from 00:36 onwards, scrubs up well.

They need some lessons from Tubby III’s lot about marching and variety. I thought the Soviet Russian independent republics armed forces had women?
 
That ‘captured’ kit from 00:36 onwards, scrubs up well.

They need some lessons from Tubby III’s lot about marching and variety. I thought the Soviet Russian independent republics armed forces had women?
Yes, there is a lot of women in the separatists armed forces. You may see also teenagers - members of local patriotic organisation, cadets from Donetsk military school, members of so called TA (territorial army). They keep uniforms and weapons at home, work as ordinary citizens but can be summoned within a few hours.
24 June 1945 (75 years ago) military parade in Moscow marked a victory of the Soviet union in the war with Germany. So there were parades in Moscow (impressive one as ever) and in some other Russian cities (including Sevastopol). A part of the parade in Donetsk was historical reconstruction. You may see T-34 and people in Soviet war time uniforms.
 
....A part of the parade in Donetsk was historical reconstruction. You may see T-34 and people in Soviet war time uniforms.
Yep, saw the T34/85, ‘Katyusha’ as mentioned by the presenter, and other historical kit. Again, makes you wonder where it all came from.
 
Yes, there is a lot of women in the separatists armed forces. You may see also teenagers - members of local patriotic organisation, cadets from Donetsk military school, members of so called TA (territorial army). They keep uniforms and weapons at home, work as ordinary citizens but can be summoned within a few hours.
24 June 1945 (75 years ago) military parade in Moscow marked a victory of the Soviet union in the war with Germany. So there were parades in Moscow (impressive one as ever) and in some other Russian cities (including Sevastopol). A part of the parade in Donetsk was historical reconstruction. You may see T-34 and people in Soviet war time uniforms.
Yes, it's not like the Soviets, errm, Russians are obsessed with WW2. Still, it distracts the peasants from how corrupt good old Vlad the Botty Impaler and his gang of crooks are eh?
 
Yes, it's not like the Soviets, errm, Russians are obsessed with WW2.
Are they the only ones?

Given the scale of destruction visited on them in the course of the war, it's hardly surprising they feel it reflects well on them as a nation. It was an astounding effort.
 
Are they the only ones?

Given the scale of destruction visited on them in the course of the war, it's hardly surprising they feel it reflects well on them as a nation. It was an astounding effort.
Anybody seen the series ‘Soviet storm.’

I get slightly frustrated that nobody that produced it thought about replacing Cyrillic maps to English . Other than that a great series .
 

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Yes, it's not like the Soviets, errm, Russians are obsessed with WW2. Still, it distracts the peasants from how corrupt good old Vlad the Botty Impaler and his gang of crooks are eh?
well the pan european superstate agenda is still going on and NATO has nicked their buffer states in their desperation to have a big ole war.

can't blame them really, as they say just because you are paranoid.........

mind you in one way I'm glad the west is being so stupid because Russia makes some pretty good stuff and is even sorting out its historical inability to feed itself and is saving its gold now rather than blowing it on western food supplies, the joys of capitalism means that same gold can be leveraged 200 times. something a certain Mr Brown failed to understand.

I still think the UK has more to gain from a positive relationship with Russia instead of kowtowing to the US agenda all of the time.

and we can hardly complain about their obsession with WW2 if it wasn't for Hitler there'd be nowt on the telly.
 
Are they the only ones?

Given the scale of destruction visited on them in the course of the war, it's hardly surprising they feel it reflects well on them as a nation. It was an astounding effort.
And yet. Stalingrad was the knife edge. If the 6th could have been sustained or relieved we might be looking at different history. WW2 could have lasted a lot longer with us defending the Persian oil fields and gateway to India. More importantly a lot of Russian troops were wavering, If the wehmacht had better logistics and the Russian troops knew. Mass defection was inevitable.
Paulus was the Nazi version of our Percival
 
Yes, it's not like the Soviets, errm, Russians are obsessed with WW2. Still, it distracts the peasants from how corrupt good old Vlad the Botty Impaler and his gang of crooks are eh?
If you think the Russians are obsessed with WW2, you ought to see the English.
 
Where have we seen this geographical grouping before? It's not as if it could fuel Russian xenophobia and historic/nostalgic ambitions for the Rossiniya?

'Poland, Lithuania and Ukraine on Tuesday announced a new platform for increasing cooperation in security, economy, and political matters, as well as for fighting COVID-19.

'The foreign ministers of the three neighboring nations launched the so-called Lublin Triangle during their meeting in the eastern Polish city of Lublin. It is meant to help their mutual ties and also their ties with the European Union and NATO. Poland and Lithuania are EU and NATO members, while Ukraine is aspiring to join both organizations, with strong backing from its two neighbors. Polish Foreign Minister Jacek Czaputowicz hosted the talks attended also by his counterparts from Lithuania, Linas Linkevicius, and Ukraine, Dmytro Kuleba.

In a joint declaration, the ministers highlighted security threats to the region and condemned Russia’s “aggression” in eastern Ukraine, calling on Moscow to respect Ukraine’s borders and territory. The countries also pledged to join up in the struggle against the coronavirus pandemic. Kuleba said that economic cooperation within the group is also intended to help its members, especially Ukraine, revive their economies after the slowdown caused by the coronavirus. Czaputowicz hinted that the closing of borders might not be used in the future to prevent the spread of the coronavirus, in anticipation of a second wave of infections. Czaputowicz cited opinions that closing borders against the virus might not be a good approach. “We live in a world of interdependence, we must cooperate and we hope that such radical steps as making travel to our countries impossible will not be implemented,” Czaputowicz told a news conference following the talks.

'The three ministers also visited the Polish-Lithuanian-Ukrainian military brigade, known by its acronym LITPOLUKRBRIG, stationed in Lublin.'



Oh yes, that was it:
PolandLithuaniaTodayEurope.jpg

 
If you think the Russians are obsessed with WW2, you ought to see the English.

Not us. The Media seems obsessed with marking various random dates during WWII, the bulk of the population don't come across as that bothered.

I suspect it's laziness and a desire to fill 24 hour media with something is why this happens.
 
Not us. The Media seems obsessed with marking various random dates during WWII,
Usually in order to recycle a myth not believed by the general public or to belabour the fact that some soldiers were brown and how racist all white people are for thinking that the majority of soldiers in Europe were white* and that because various war memorials are a general depiction of the make up of a village they tend not to reflect the current make up of the UK or the make up of the WW2 forces in General. Moreso a most in fact date to WW1.


*Yes we know - but the media hasn't grasped the fact that by and large forces raised in colonies defended their own region or served in other theatres - quite logically so as well - if you can ship troops to an environment they are familiar with they will be more effective at least short - medium term (assuming same standards of training and leadership etc) than troops completely out of their element.
 

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