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How will the Ukraine war end?

How will the Ukraine war end?

  • Rebels win,Eastern Ukraine goes independent

    Votes: 84 49.7%
  • Putin invades Kiev, NATO doesn't move

    Votes: 47 27.8%
  • Putin invades Kiev, NATO fights Russia

    Votes: 10 5.9%
  • Rebels lose, Ukraine stays united

    Votes: 28 16.6%

  • Total voters
    169
#6
With the warring parties, their so-far repressed feelings of love and fraternity for one another being liberated by excessive libation, resulting in them throwing their weapons to the ground and establishing a mutually-supportive, orthodox-based neo-falangist model community, with the contested ground becoming a bastion for a hutterite-style community of pacificism and a faith-based pursuit of utopianism seeing a rejection of the oppressive nationalist, proto-imperalist hinterland of the participants which drove them into conflict in the first place.

Alternatively, they'll eventually get tired of blowing the crap out of each other (and passing airliners) and cobble together some peace settlement which will leave no-one entirely satisfied (least of all Mr Putin as he wonders why the ungrateful oligarchs he'd done so much for chose to overthrow him as sanctions worked for a change) and which'll lead to another war in a few generations' time.
 

Schaden

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#9
I think after a lot of russians get killed putin will get ousted and the new lot of mafia hoods will get things back to the way they were so everyone can enjoy those $$ they stole.
 
#10
Seeing that both sides have been weakened by a protracted and bloody war Guinea swiftly occupies the country, defeats both sides and rules the country as a colonial possession with an iron fist from Conakry.


No one sees it coming.


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#11
Like the endless succession of threads on the subject, I suspect it will never end.
Many a truth told in jest.

It may in Putin's calculations to never let it end and leave it as a "frozen conflict" which he can hear up or cool down at his whim. It would certainly keep the focus of his theft of Crimea.
 
#12
As this is CA... The Former Ukraine (FU for short) was socially, educationally, industrially and financially at a low level prior to the maidan protests and the ensuing mess. It is now lower in all those areas than it was before, and there it will remain for the foreseeable future. The least-bad that can happen is that it doesn't cost us too much in aid, and that we are able effectively to use the 'warning' effect of the FU situation to stave off the looming crises elsewhere which are closer to home.

In any case, the people resident in the territory of FU are pretty much stuffed. No one wins.
 
#13
Nobody wins - it becomes a frozen conflict. Think Republic of South Ossetia, Republic of Abkhazia, Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic (PMR), commonly known as Transnistria and Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. None of which have garnered any recognition as independent states, all four remain de facto states wholly dependent on handouts from Moscow. What they have achieved? ‘Internal sovereignty’ on a portion of the territory of a recognized post-Soviet state – in this case the Republics of Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan and Moldova.Then there is the poverty, something that has increased in all of these "regions" since their supposed independence, an increase of around 300% in all these "Russian" supported areas. The Republic of Abkhazia is the worst, the ruling elite live a life of luxury whilst 82% of the population are living in poverty of which 59% are living below subsistence level (Source UNICEF).

What we are seeing is a regional power creating wholly dependent, repressive third-world enclaves around itself so as to protect itself from the paranoia of a non-existent threat.
 
#15
What we are seeing is a regional power creating wholly dependent, repressive third-world enclaves around itself so as to protect itself from the paranoia of a non-existent threat.
Given Russian history you can't blame them for paranoia can you. Particularly since many of their previous buffer states joined NATO when Communism went belly up.
 
#16
Given Russian history you can't blame them for paranoia can you. Particularly since many of their previous buffer states joined NATO when Communism went belly up.
Society today in the developed world is completely different from the past. There is absolutely no threat to Russia from the Western world.

If Russia was a person...they would be sectioned under the Mental Health Act for their own good.... Paranoid bastards.
 
#17
Ukraine will end up with Tony Blair jetting on a Monday and personally overseeing 48 hrs of negotiating...resulting in the Bad Wednesday Agreement and personally handing the d*ckhead that hit the big red button on the SA10 that shot that airplane down... a letter to get out of jail.

My opinion of course.
 
#18
Society today in the developed world is completely different from the past..
Really? I don't think so.

There is absolutely no threat to Russia from the Western world..
That's easy to say when you live n the western world. Russia (or rather the Russian leadership) feels threatened and the lack of justification for their feelings is irrelevant. They can justify feeling threatened by the west's crowing over bringing down communism, NATO's empire-building adventures in Afghanistan and Iraq, the overthrow of the Libyan regime, the attempted overthrow of the Syrian regime and so on.
 
#19
Really? I don't think so.



That's easy to say when you live n the western world. Russia (or rather the Russian leadership) feels threatened and the lack of justification for their feelings is irrelevant. They can justify feeling threatened by the west's crowing over bringing down communism, NATO's empire-building adventures in Afghanistan and Iraq, the overthrow of the Libyan regime, the attempted overthrow of the Syrian regime and so on.
Nato never entered Iraq.

Of course its different from the past. No way would another person be able to gain complete power in Germany and take his country on holiday to the gates of Moscow.

The only present threat to Russia today is economic and that's been forced on Moscow by their own actions in Eastern Europe.
 
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