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How was this fair? Out of pocket for not being furloughed..

Helm

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Glad to hear that about work, and the bike.

Decided what bike you're getting yet?
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The smaller sites in Lincoln closed during the first (proper) lockdown because all the Builders Merchants closed. No reason why they closed, they were allowed to stay open, all construction was allowed to continue, it was listed as a specific industry that could crack on.

As Toyah would try to say, its a mystery.
They were 'Balls out' here in the bottom corner of Lancashire, never stopped bar the small domestic stuff, like decorators.

The real money was being made just across the border in the 'Pool...

( And not only by Fat Joe and Degsy before anyone feels the need to come over all 'stereotypical')

Eta.
I've a few mates who employ between three and fifty three folk.....
The first couple of weeks of lockdown, monitoring faceache was instrumental in who's earned what over the summer, iykwim.
 

rampant

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I'm self employed, on fairly low pay. (Builders Labourer) I was off work for 4 months, with no pay, no furlough, not eligible for HMRC payment, not eligible for Universal Credit. I only got by, by selling my motorcycle.

Sorry. Zero sympathy here.

Self employed too, not seen a penny from the Govt this year.
 
If that means you keep a decent tenant long term it's probably worth it from a monetary view as well as being the decent thing to do.
My tenant is a transplant patient single parent, and an absolute diamond as a tenant. Plus her folks and her brother are tradies and live on the same street.
 

HCL

LE
Would that be the acting deputy director of border force who traveled south from Newcastle during the height of the pandemic and did not wear a mask when interacting with juniors face to face.

It truly would be bothersome if the press found out about the acting deputy director of border forces abuse of authority and flouting of the pandemic rules.

Here, let me help. Did she pass Dominic Cummings on the way do you think?

(Hey, Google: key words: Dominic Cummings; Cummings, Dominic; breaking lock down)
 

Joker62

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Key worker=employed by guvmit. Directly, or as local guvmit.
Mrs R is local guvmit and has worked from home for nine months. And she has worked.
Friends of ours that work for private companies tossed it off for what was a nice, hot spring. No work, but no commuting costs. They bloody loved it.
Mrs R worked from home. Sunday night, Saturday morning.
All to buy us stuff.
Not necessarily, I'm a key worker, employed by a private firm and if I didn't go into work (Data Centre), there would have been a lot of upset puppies because they couldn't log on to the computer to do some work/spend the day tossing off to Pornhub (other adults sites are available).
 
That wouldn't be Irene Hall of Teeside University would it ?
You'd have thought that Ashington High School would have instilled the value if following rules, especially when they're for public safety.

If Irene Hall is the correct person,
her LinkedIn page says she's the Assistant Director, and has been for nearly thirteen years.
Would that make it ok to break travel restrictions on at least more than one occasion and flout government guidelines on masks ?

Not my part of the world, but I imagine a journo could find out if this was the correct Irene Hall of the Border Force ignoring the rules or if it was a different Acting Deputy Director who broke them.

Ah, so it might have been Irene Hall the Acting Deputy Director of Border Force who broke the clear rules and travel restrictions imposed for the Covid-19 pandemic.

Journo's have a marvellous nose for sniffing out dirt, especially where senior civil servants such as Irene Hall are concerned. She might even have to do that lame excuse of an ineffective apology and publicly say "sorry".
 
Here, let me help. Did she pass Dominic Cummings on the way do you think?

(Hey, Google: key words: Dominic Cummings; Cummings, Dominic; breaking lock down)

I listened to that limp wristed carry on of a palaver on Radio 2.

IF A SENIOR CIVIL SERVANT OR GOVT OFFICIAL BREAKS THE RULES SLAP THEM HARD, AND PUBLICLY, THEN FIRE THEM.
 

Joshua Slocum

LE
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The smaller sites in Lincoln closed during the first (proper) lockdown because all the Builders Merchants closed. No reason why they closed, they were allowed to stay open, all construction was allowed to continue, it was listed as a specific industry that could crack on.

As Toyah would try to say, its a mystery.
our local family run merchants furloughed half the staff
only to find that when work promptly went bonkers they were not allowed to bring them back in, I called round to try to get materials, timber sheet sold out in 2 days as companies boarded up properties
half the normal things I usually buy are out of stock , I saw and spoke to tradesmen from 70 miles away, who found it worth driving that far to get stock
I have also noticed that prices have gone up by a third, even at our electrical wholesalers !
I am only doing one to one and half days a week, but luckily i have two daughters who need things done, and a local charity who are glad of my help
luckily being near to retirement, i dont really have any overheads, but some people have really struggled to keep working
I passed a lot of work over to a younger chap with a family as he needed the work more than me , hes a good lad and has helped me out in the past, but i have heard about a few rascals ripping people off
 

Arte_et_Marte

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our local family run merchants furloughed half the staff
only to find that when work promptly went bonkers they were not allowed to bring them back in, I called round to try to get materials, timber sheet sold out in 2 days as companies boarded up properties
half the normal things I usually buy are out of stock , I saw and spoke to tradesmen from 70 miles away, who found it worth driving that far to get stock
I have also noticed that prices have gone up by a third, even at our electrical wholesalers !
I am only doing one to one and half days a week, but luckily i have two daughters who need things done, and a local charity who are glad of my help
luckily being near to retirement, i dont really have any overheads, but some people have really struggled to keep working
I passed a lot of work over to a younger chap with a family as he needed the work more than me , hes a good lad and has helped me out in the past, but i have heard about a few rascals ripping people off
Aye mate, it's been a tough year for a lot of people.

We were offered a decent contract building two Bungalows over in Manchester, a lot of material on site and the ground crew had finished the footings and sewarage, not bad money either but there was no accommodation open obviously, no hotels, no B&B, not even a campsite. As I said it was tough.
 

Joshua Slocum

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Aye mate, it's been a tough year for a lot of people.

We were offered a decent contract building two Bungalows over in Manchester, a lot of material on site and the ground crew had finished the footings and sewarage, not bad money either but there was no accommodation open obviously, no hotels, no B&B, not even a campsite. As I said it was tough.
A few characters I know took on some work to tide them over, they are still chasing the money !! firm went belly up
you going to buy another triumph ??
if you do I have something to kickstart you
 
Ah, so it might have been Irene Hall the Acting Deputy Director of Border Force who broke the clear rules and travel restrictions imposed for the Covid-19 pandemic.

Journo's have a marvellous nose for sniffing out dirt, especially where senior civil servants such as Irene Hall are concerned. She might even have to do that lame excuse of an ineffective apology and publicly say "sorry".
She needs sacking, she broke the law. The upper echelons always get away with it
 
I recently spoke to my cousin. During the pandemic, most of the workforce was furloughed and supported by a caring Government. However, because of her role she was classed as a key worker and had to carry on working, however her hours were reduced significantly.

How can it be fair that she is out of pocket for being a key worker? Has her employer acted legally?


Short answer is yes, they acted legally.

Being blunt, fair hasn't really been much of a factor in lots of peoples decisions this year.

This year I've furloughed staff, made some redundant, kept some working part time and earning less than furloughed staff. Non of it is fair, but at some points of the year it has been a matter of survival for the company I work for.
We are ok now, mainly because we've been extremely vigorous in keeping costs under control whilst we rode out the worst parts of Kung Flu.

Nobody wants to do it and nobody likes doing it. The very clever people managing the financial side of life have done the best they can within the rules but inevitably not everybody has had an easy ride.

In short, many parts of this year have been a massive shit sandwich for a lot of people. My job and earnings have been fine but it has been a very unpleasant year.
 
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When someone is furloughed, they can still work. There are many cases of it where people just want to work and have found another job and earned themselves 1.8 wages. Some people will detest that happneing, but the law allows it and only the industrious will do it.

If various building agencies/suppliers were furloughing staff then suddenly unable to re-employ them, am surprised that there were not calls between the bosses of the agencies/suppliers to see if they could re-employ each others' furloughed staff so people could earn 1.8 wages.
 
When someone is furloughed, they can still work. There are many cases of it where people just want to work and have found another job and earned themselves 1.8 wages. Some people will detest that happneing, but the law allows it and only the industrious will do it.

If various building agencies/suppliers were furloughing staff then suddenly unable to re-employ them, am surprised that there were not calls between the bosses of the agencies/suppliers to see if they could re-employ each others' furloughed staff so people could earn 1.8 wages.
Yeah, I have a mate who did this. I don't think he was earning 1.8x though, as his second job was picking and packing at Amazon. Probably more like 1.25
 

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