How was Logistics done before the RLC

Discussion in 'RLC' started by The_Big_Floater, Mar 28, 2010.

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  1. As a true and blue RLC soldier (never known any different) I am interested to see from you old and bold how we did the job before the days of the RLC... With this was it better or worse and how the RLC should change. This could help DRLC change the Corps for the better (don't worry I don't work for him) but was it better as split corps or has it improved the overall service given to the larger army.....

    I am sure plenty of you out there have an opinion on this... Was it good or was it bad :? to merge the corps... :)

    I hope this hasn't been done before or I may have to shut the f**** up
  2. Properly :wink:
  3. PAF break review

    edited to add, thousands and thousands of 3511k's.

    Knockers and eager beavers

  4. The Waggoners probably asked the same question re the RASC & the RASC re the RCT.
  5. The formation of RLC did not IMHO deal with the following critical issues..

    1. RCT as a transport corps was fundamentaly generalist, made up from large numbers of low rank, semi skilled soldiers. The NCOs and Officers were mainly administrative and regimental with the level of technical specialist knowledge at the SNCO level. RAOC as a supply corps was broad, but specialised. The corps was made up from a large number of "tribes" from staff clerks to butchers, all of which had long experience in providing this specialist support in thier niche areas. RAOC specialised at both at SNCO and officer leve,l with the officer corps having international level expertise in some areas. The effect of this was that there was less emphasis on regimental activies in RAOC as field force units tended to be smaller ( E.g. RCT operated as Regiments whereas RAOC operated as independent companies). At the merger the RCT, being more politically cohesive, tended to dominate the oganisation, and the interests of the generalists were allowed to dominate the need for specialists. This, IMHO has had a serious effect on the quality of the log support.

    2. RAOC had significant autonomous control over much of what is now DSDA, ran the base depots and installations and had control over much of the equipment management and procurement activities. The mechanism that was used to shrink this function was to civilianise swathes of these functions by simply bowler hatting the current incumbents. Ths worked fine for the first few years, as the system worked pretty much as it did before, however over time the ex-mil have been replaced by civil servants (with no experience..) and are frankly pretty cr@p, despite the fact they are trying to do their best. The waste is eye watering in some cases...

    3. The teeth v tail fight, which has always gone on, became seriously unbalanced since the 80's because of loggie in-fighting. The representation of G4 in the staff system got trashed with the loggie star count seriously losing out in the run down.. My best example of this is the physical distance between the G1/G4 desks and the G3/G4 ones over the years... In the 1970s these were in the same room. In the 80s they were in adjoining tents. In the 90s they were in separate tents, but in the same factory. In Iraq they were in separate camps. In Afghan they were in separate provinces.. (some say they are actually in different countries..). I still say that tactics win battles, but logistics wins (or loses) wars...
  6. Lets take an Armd Div a la BAOR.

    Each Brigade had an Ordnance Coy (and before the Coy, which was introduced in the '80's it had an Ordnance Field Park which was an Independent command). Their role was to hold 30 days fast moving MT and Tech spares on wheels

    The Ord Coy OC answered to the Div Ord Bn CO, who in turn answered to the DCOS G1/G4 at Div HQ. The OFP OC answered to the Assistant Director of Ordnance Services (ADOS) at Div HQ.

    Engines and Major Assemblies, Small arms etc etc came from the 1 (BR) Corps Stores Company, B vehicles from the Corps Vehicle Company and ammunition and other combat supplies came from the Combat Supplies Bn via its ammunition companies (and before them the Replenishment Park companies)

    The the jam stealers fecked it all up :twisted:
  7. RM am I to understand that the army Logistics was achieved to a higher standard and better than with a joint service.... was not the aim to amalgamate all Logistics within one organisation removing red tape from individual course. So that the stores and transport elements became part of one group reducing the need to deal with inter corps black tape.
    Enabling the individual corps to plan and deliver stores and equipment more efficiantley :?
  8. I, for one, have not noticed any real reduction in use of this commodity - it's as popular as it ever was, particularly for those little jobs around the house.
  9. And do you know that as a young tank gunner I thought all that the RAOC did was produce the bread that we got on FTXs in that wax paper from our SQMS...whch sadly was already past its best by date!
  10. Everybody used to blame the bakeries/RAOC for out of date bread but what happened in the majority of units was that the chefs would not put out the fresh stuff (they'd received that day, which for all but the farthest flung units was well before lunchtime as it left the bakery from 0730 hrs onwards) until all the other/older bread had been used up. I was in a unit that binned the old stuff daily so we did well (although the bread on Sundays was best toasted).......the good old days.......
  11. I have an enduring memory of being accosted by an RMP RSM out side the cook house at Sennelager. The Lt. Col in charge of the Sennelager hunt asked me to collect stale bread from the cook house to feed the ducks on one of the lakes. The Master Chef told me when I asked for the Col's stale bread: "Its all stale when it gets here , mate".

    The RMP RSM who accosted me outside the cookhouse told me that I was stealing rations to feed ducks and that the bread should be made into nutritious food like bread pudding and stuffing and things.

    The boring cu nt.
  12. Yes. And any changes were made to save money. Don't believe the "leaner and better" bullshit. The highlighted above, if you actually believe it should mean that RE Resources and REME should also be in the RLC and they are not. The paperwork to move stores had not changed that much when I left (1995) and colleagues in the Crabs at Wingco level tell me that the system is now a joke.

    And the paperwork to move ammo by road is exactly the same as it is whatever cap badge you have.
  13. The system, and the taxpayer, have been screwed in a right royal manner by DSDA. As mentioned in a previous post the amount of remaining service experience is zilch.

    The "civilianisation" of this function has resulted in millions of pounds worth of aircraft spares, and doubtless many other types of spare being "lost". Their inability to carry out simple stocktaking tasks to meet manpower control totals has conveniently been swept under the carpet.

    Despite non of these statutory tasks being carried out I would bet a pound to a penny that the Chief Exec and his cohorts all received bonuses for achieving their meaningless KPIs.

    Bring back the uniforms and save the taxpayer a mint.
  14. When I was a sprog,Sappers had water transport,movements,post,rail etc.I was told that we did it better that the present encumbants. ''Ubique''
  15. A basic grasp of the issues surounding DSDA, and its structure and governance, would have enabled you to formulate a much better post.