How to loose a TA PTI

#1
I've heard this has happened on the firts termediate course:

Some failed a (basic) physical test, this means that they have LOST their BASIC qualification and so they are NOT PTI ANYMORE.

Potentially soldiers trying to advance themselves can leave units unable to pass MATTs.


Yes the PTI should have passed the test but ......
 
#2
Same if not worse for CMT's. New course supposed to be opening soon to requalify us, at the moment we are in a sort of suspended state. Dear old army.

Cardinal
 
#3
Polar,

This is being addressed at 42 Bde by the Bde QMSI running a series of MATT Phys days throughout this and next trg year, so that we can attempt the PFT* and pass the CFT*.

msr
*which are the minimum standards and may, or may not, reflect your CO's point of view and may be varied due to your warned-offness for Operational deployment (does this keep everyone happy?)
 
#4
msr, have you posted on this subject before because I can't believe an attempt at betterment leaves you less qualified than before?

Cardinal, please expand someone who has failed a medical exam is different to someone who failed to say pass a more rigorous physical exam - who probably remains safe via health and safety rules.
 
#5
If he has failed a 'basic' test then he isn't going to make a great PTI - or am I missing something here?

msr
 
#6
Don't know the entire reasons for the fail (and wouldn't go into them in detail if I did).

She/He was a PTI but now they are not a PTI because she/he tried to go a stage further in their career.
 
#7
polar said:
Read a document last year on the new PTI system, being helpful I passed this onto our PTI's.

SubsequentlyOne asked for the new intermediate course and the other since left.

The one remaining attempts the course and fails a (basic) test, this means that he has LOST his BASIC qualification and we now have NO PTI.

Potentially soldiers trying to advance themselves can leave units unable to pass MATTs.

Has anyone got a brain cell in the APTC?

Yes the PTI should have passed the test but ......
BUT nothing, picture the scene "this man is about to operate on you but he failed the basic surgery course", come off it, if you don't have someone qualified then its not hard to draft one in from a nearby unit is it.

Or are you afraid someone from an outside unit might fail more of the unit?
 
#8
hurrahfortheRE said:
BUT nothing, picture the scene "this man is about to operate on you but he failed the basic surgery course", come off it, if you don't have someone qualified then its not hard to draft one in from a nearby unit is it.

Or are you afraid someone from an outside unit might fail more of the unit?
Do not understand the comparison, the guy knows how to do a warm down/up, how the body reacts to phys but because he failed to do xyz push ups, sit ups, he's now not a PTI?

Sorry I don't think I made this clear on the other posts
 
#10
Did they attend and fail the course or fail the initial PFT test on the first day of the course? either way it seems a bit shite to strip them of the qualification entirely, surely they should of just remained at the PTI Basic level of qualification.
 
#11
Have to say I hear Polar's pain here. Who does the least amount of Phys on a PT session? The PTI standing in the middle! ("Around my beautiful body 10 laps, GO!")

I agree that PTIs should be physically fit, nay the fittest individuals in the unit. They should be able to pass all tests and exercises they expect others to do, this is all part of the principle of instructors being competent to do before they can teach.

However, surely it is more important to have someone who can competently run the required tests, efficiently administer them, give advice and support to weaker individuals and organise interesting and varied training rather than some muscle bound body beautiful who can run 4 minute miles but has difficulty stringing 3 word together?

If you have someone who goes on an advancement course, having previously shown themselves to be competent to pas the basic course, who fails a fitness test on entry RTU him. Give him a clear and simple indication of the level to which he should raise his fitness before re attending, but strip him of his basic qualification? No I disagree.
 
#12
polar said:
Don't know the entire reasons for the fail (and wouldn't go into them in detail if I did).

She/He was a PTI and passed me on my PFT but now he's not a PTI because she/he tried to go a stage further in her/his career.
Gave the game up there mate :thumleft:
 
#13
The point i think people are to make is that how can a PTI test and evaluate soldiers to a standard if he himself cant maintain that standard...ie BPFA press ups if he cant meet the standard how can he possible test it or indeed conduct a BCFT if he cant drag his arrse round it. I know prob doesnt help but im sure if you are struggling to get PTI your nearest regular unit QMSI if he is worth his salt will assist. Or give me a ring and ill gladly come down and beast some stabs....... :thumright: LOL

I am currently a Reg in TA and between the rest of the PSIs we manage it.
 
#14
Blyth_spirit said:
Give him a clear and simple indication of the level to which he should raise his fitness before re attending, but strip him of his basic qualification? No I disagree.
No sure if this is correct, I believe they need to retake the physical and if passes some board they then become an Intermediate PTI (I believe they passed the course but not the phys side).

I believe the PFT type tests not CFT.
 
#16
polar said:
Don't know the entire reasons for the fail (and wouldn't go into them in detail if I did).

She/He was a PTI and passed me on my PFT but now he's not a PTI because she/he tried to go a stage further in her/his career.
If they can't pass the press up's :D they shouldn't remain qualified!
Having crossed swords dosen't mean you should let your own standards slip.
Never expect somebody to do what you cannot do yourself!
 
#18
Fair one. However, I was under the impression that PFT & CFT were prelims on the course, and that no real teaching began before the physical standards were met.
 
#19
The take on this subject I can offer from personal experience is when being ragged around on a course by a PTI from another unit, being told how unfit we all were (as usual) then a month or so later doing a 1.5 miler and coming in a full minute in front of said PTI.

OK everyone takes the comments given out in a beasting as such, but it certainly took the venom of of him next time he took any fizz any of us were involved in.

Now imagine that a PTI cannot even pass basic tests and think of how you might feel knowing someone not as fit as you is leading your fitness? Sure I know there are fitter bods than some PTI's, though in context with this thread these are BASIC standards.

If the guy was allowed to keep his qual, the whole notion is undermined; especially if a prerequesite of a qualification is a level of fitness.
 
#20
spoomo said:
If the guy was allowed to keep his qual, the whole notion is undermined; especially if a prerequesite of a qualification is a level of fitness.
Don't disagree with that but how does our unit now do PT and subsequently pass their PFT?
 

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