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How To Fix 'The North'?

This.

Infrastructure in the North West is chaotic. Just a few examples of literally hundreds:

1. You can’t travel “through“ Manchester (or Liverpool) by train, both are termini. Actually, you can but only on slow services using Trans Pennine. The same is true in London of course but connections are on foot or by the absurdly slow tram.
You can’t travel through London either. It has 14 termini. That issue plagues every major UK city and is a Victorian legacy. IIRC Crossrail will be the first solution in the UK.

A couple of acquaintances of mine were TA Sapper specialist officers both of whom worked for British Rail. They showed me and some fellow Sappers around the Manchester Olympic bid in IIRC 1993. Basically the bid was predicated around the selection criteria that requires lasting public good and it picked up on the fact that the Atlanta Olympics were transport chaos.

So the core of the transport bid was railways. Specifically a circular route around the city, linking up the two termini and providing a “ringrail” connecting suburbs.

I believe there were two problems with transport pitch for the 2000 Olympics. Firstly it was made by lots of boring men talking about machinery and secondly their competitor was Sydney.
 
I think the North is going to get a surprise, this year has seen people and companies prove that working from home is both sustainable and has minimum effect on peoples productivity. I can see more Londoncentric companies either hold a small head office or move lock stock and barrel out of the capital to towns where rents are cheaper.

It is London that should be worried because it has had its bubble burst and it isn't the be all and end all.
 
I lived in Oakely and Basingstoke in the early 80s.

When I first lived there it was open fields between Black Dam and the M3. Similarly there was a lot of green space around Viables and Hatch Warren.

By the time I left in 1985 they had started building miserably Barratt "homes" on a lot of the area south of Black Dam.

Now it's crappy housing estates full of people who can't afford to live in London and they're soon going to swallow up Cliddesden into another massive housing estate.

Chineham has been concreted over to the north as far as Bramley and soon Basingstoke and Reading will join into a massive conurbation.

Utterly crass and horrible.
Sounds like the solution is to move all this “development“ to the North, but you might not be so pleased with it?
 
I remember years ago we were on holiday in Norfolk. In the local shop one day I overheard an obvious southern toff asking the shopkeeper how much 3 slices of corned beef would cost from the meat counter. That's not something a northerner would ever do, they'd buy a pack or tin, job jobbed.

At a rough guess the southerner was mortgaged to buggery and back and couldn't afford to live properly. If that was the case, what a mug.
Actually it’s not something a southerner would do either, given it’s sold by the 100 grams. He probably couldn’t work out how much three slices would weigh. Normally we’d tell the server to add Or subtract. My next door is Welsh, the number of Scots down here is huge, the odd Irish, newcastle and Liverpudlians are quite common. And we take the piss relentlessly. So Frankly turn the North into a National Park.
 
That’d take some serious investment as ISTR the traction supply is 650 vdc (like the north London lines out of Euston to Watford). Diesel is out because much of the system is underground so to get compatibility they’d either need new stock that can run on both 650 vdc and 25 kvac (like Thameslink which changes from Third Rail to overhead at Farringdon) or electrify the whole of the Wirral and Crewe-Chester branch with overhead 25 kvac.

I think tunnel head clearances might preclude that too.

That said, they’ve electrified the whole GWR from Paddington to Bristol and South Wales but then that’s all London b/****** commuter territory nowadays.

Now then, where’s me anorak and tartan thermos?

You really wanted to be a train driver and not a pilot didn't you?
 
Proper corned beef (not the canned type) can be bought by the slice, or by weight, I choose to buy my meat from a local butcher these days, yes it is more expensive but most of the meat is local and all the game is.
 
No.

Gatwick has a single runway, the busiest single runway airport in the world.

It does have the capability to reconfigure the main parallel taxiway as a runway (and does so fairly often for maintenance in the Main) but doesn’t qualify as dual as it can’t do simultaneous ops on both.

When using the standby runway, ops are severely impacted capacity wise as approach aids are limited and taxiways etc are compromised so you can’t have as many aircraft moving at any one time. It’s also considerably shorter so can affect aircraft performance (ability to carry weight).
Fairy nuff
 
You really wanted to be a train driver and not a pilot didn't you?
Yes. I mean, running up and down the same stretch of track and finishing your shift in Llandudno Junction with just a flask of tea for company knocks spots off flying round the world and finishing your shift on a tropical beach with a few beers and and clutch of lovelies.

I funded some of my training working on the track gangs and being lightly basted with aerosol toilet waste every time a train went past so a bit of knowledge, yes, a passion for it, I’ll get back to you on that.
 
I think the North is going to get a surprise, this year has seen people and companies prove that working from home is both sustainable and has minimum effect on peoples productivity. I can see more Londoncentric companies either hold a small head office or move lock stock and barrel out of the capital to towns where rents are cheaper.

It is London that should be worried because it has had its bubble burst and it isn't the be all and end all.
The same is happening up north. One of my lads lives in Rothbury at the moment. They're looking to buy a house there but the market has gone nuts recently with people moving out of Newcastle to be able to work from home. A countryside economic revival in prospect perhaps? The shopkeepers are loving it apparently.

The daughter works for a firm based at Canary Wharf that occupies 2 floors at £££££££ cost. I think they're downsizing to 1 floor and having people working from home. Which the daughter has done since covid started and reckons it makes no difference to their productivity. Lots of her colleagues are moving out of London as a result and her and the husband are thinking of doing the same.
 
The same is happening up north. One of my lads lives in Rothbury at the moment. They're looking to buy a house there but the market has gone nuts recently with people moving out of Newcastle to be able to work from home. A countryside economic revival in prospect perhaps? The shopkeepers are loving it apparently.

The daughter works for a firm based at Canary Wharf that occupies 2 floors at £££££££ cost. I think they're downsizing to 1 floor and having people working from home. Which the daughter has done since covid started and reckons it makes no difference to their productivity. Lots of her colleagues are moving out of London as a result and her and the husband are thinking of doing the same.
London is whinging that the money has disappeared..it hasn't it has been re distributed to the towns and villages. People are spending money locally, our local shop is never empty now and the Market in town is always busy. Yes, Amazon is getting a big chunk but more and more is being spent in the locality rather than the big cities.
 
The same is happening up north. One of my lads lives in Rothbury at the moment. They're looking to buy a house there but the market has gone nuts recently with people moving out of Newcastle to be able to work from home. A countryside economic revival in prospect perhaps? The shopkeepers are loving it apparently.

The daughter works for a firm based at Canary Wharf that occupies 2 floors at £££££££ cost. I think they're downsizing to 1 floor and having people working from home. Which the daughter has done since covid started and reckons it makes no difference to their productivity. Lots of her colleagues are moving out of London as a result and her and the husband are thinking of doing the same.
IMHO two sectors are going to get a proper shoeing following on from this enforced experiment in e-commerce, commercial real estate and business oriented airlines. The evidence seems to suggest that office based trade hasn’t been impacted by people working from their kitchens so why send a bloke out from his plush Canary Wharf office to New York to have a meeting? Why even have the plush office?

I think I remember reading something that said productivity is actually improved as people can mooch about and get stuff done in their own way in their own little jam jar.

Businesses will also be quick to crimp off things like London Weighting Allowances etc so yes, I reckon London will start to wither on the vine as those who can will move out. The knock on of that will be a fall in property values in London and a rise elsewhere so all in all, a win all round.
 
London is whinging that the money has disappeared..it hasn't it has been re distributed to the towns and villages. People are spending money locally, our local shop is never empty now and the Market in town is always busy. Yes, Amazon is getting a big chunk but more and more is being spent in the locality rather than the big cities.
I live in a city and frankly only go into the city centre to visit the bank maybe once or twice a year. There's nothing there I need that I can't get locally or online and the anti-car council has made it a nightmare to get to anyway, so why bother? Throw in the Clean Air Zone that is supposed to be getting implemented which means I'll have to pay to go inside the Ring Road in my car and that's yet another nail in the centre's coffin as far as I'm concerned. It won't just be the centre of London that'll get a pasting in the next few years.

Edit: The city centre has loads of empty office buildings and has done for years. It'll only get worse. Or better depending on how you view it.
 
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That’d take some serious investment as ISTR the traction supply is 650 vdc (like the north London lines out of Euston to Watford). Diesel is out because much of the system is underground so to get compatibility they’d either need new stock that can run on both 650 vdc and 25 kvac (like Thameslink which changes from Third Rail to overhead at Farringdon) or electrify the whole of the Wirral and Crewe-Chester branch with overhead 25 kvac.

I think tunnel head clearances might preclude that too.

That said, they’ve electrified the whole GWR from Paddington to Bristol and South Wales but then that’s all London b/****** commuter territory nowadays.

Now then, where’s me anorak and tartan thermos?

Tartan flask by my side, the Merseyrail system is 750V DC. The Southern Jessies Region use 650/660V. I grew up right next to the Wirral Line, between Bromborough and Hooton stations. Other than that, you’re right about why it’s third rail.

It surprises me how widespread third rail systems are. At 650V, basic physics tells me that the power loss in the rail must be considerably larger than 25kV overhead systems. It will require closer spacing of feeder stations - I remember these being built/renewed when the 508s came online in the 80s. These trains needed more power than the 503s they replaced.

It’s also far less safe than overhead wires. A few times a year, a drunken loon or a lost child would get electrocuted on the third rail. But if your tunnel system was built for that gauge, then you’re stuck with it, at least for the underground bit. Dual supply would be better, but those things are at best a kludge. You have to convert your 25kV AC into 650/750V DC or have two sets of motors, and carry the weight of the other motors as a penalty for not having to transform and rectify the voltage.
 
IMHO two sectors are going to get a proper shoeing following on from this enforced experiment in e-commerce, commercial real estate and business oriented airlines. The evidence seems to suggest that office based trade hasn’t been impacted by people working from their kitchens so why send a bloke out from his plush Canary Wharf office to New York to have a meeting? Why even have the plush office?

I think I remember reading something that said productivity is actually improved as people can mooch about and get stuff done in their own way in their own little goldfish bowl.

Businesses will also be quick to crimp off things like London Weighting Allowances etc so yes, I reckon London will start to wither on the vine as those who can will move out. The knock on of that will be a fall in property values in London and a rise elsewhere so all in all, a win all round.
Fixed. jam jar= Car
 

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Targeted on the South, thus fixing the investment overnight. Nothing left except radioactivity in the South, so everything has to be in the North :)
Don't be confusing the backwards, inbred, swampy, fly-blown rednecked shitehole that you call "the south" with the modern, driven den of affluence and achievement that we call "the south," Spam.
 

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Fixing the lines on the Wirral and new running stock and junking the crap
Merseyrail has just commissioned new stock, Class 777s which are replacing the current 507s and 508s.

There are some tight clearances in places on the line, especially the underground lines hence no overhead wires.

The main issue is that Merseyrail decided to physicallyseparate theeir lines from the rest of the network hence, e.g. at kirkby, you have to get of the electric, walk down the platform and get onto another train. There is a block of concrete between the two.
 

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I live in a city and frankly only go into the city centre to visit the bank maybe once or twice a year. There's nothing there I need that I can't get locally or online and the anti-car council has made it a nightmare to get to anyway, so why bother? Throw in the Clean Air Zone that is supposed to be getting implemented which means I'll have to pay to go inside the Ring Road in my car and that's yet another nail in the centre's coffin as far as I'm concerned. It won't just be the centre of London that'll get a pasting in the next few years.
Have to agree, any major town or city that relies on the service industry could quickly become a ghost town. This could also have a knock on effect to pension pots as a lot of pensions are tied up in commercial property, so making sure your pension is not property reliant could be a prudent move.
 

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