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How To Fix 'The North'?

bob231

War Hero
Is part of the problem, then, that we didn't innovate as the world started to change?

That's not meant as a criticism of the North, more that the government (successive governments) looked at the way the wind was blowing and decided "managed decline" was the solution, leaving the North in the hole it's in now?

(For reference, lived mostly in the south, but was in Derby in 2008 when the contract for new Underground trains went to Hyundai and the Bombardier works closed, and have spent a while working in the joy that is Oldham)
 
Both firms were big, international consultancies, The UK motorway work was a small part of their portfolio. Malaysia isn't part of India. Both overseas offices were part of the firms, not sub-contractors. You clearly struggle to know what you're talking about. Someone upthread said you were a bluffer. They might think that but I couldn't possibly comment.
I’m not struggling with anything nor am I bluffing. There are major global engineering companies that have very successfully building deep design and project management capabilities in India that they deploy on projects globally. I’ve worked for two.

My only mention of Malaysia was in a list of countries that are doing far more in terms of volume and complexity than anyone is doing in the UK. So quite why you need to point out that Malaysia is not in India beats me.

You’ve made it clear that your career has been spent in UK highways maintenance. It’s not exactly a broad experience of engineering is it? The big UK contractors are nearly all out of the international market; go figure.
 
I’m not struggling with anything nor am I bluffing. There are major global engineering companies that have very successfully building deep design and project management capabilities in India that they deploy on projects globally. I’ve worked for two.

My only mention of Malaysia was in a list of countries that are doing far more in terms of volume and complexity than anyone is doing in the UK. So quite why you need to point out that Malaysia is not in India beats me.

You’ve made it clear that your career has been spent in UK highways maintenance. It’s not exactly a broad experience of engineering is it? The big UK contractors are nearly all out of the international market; go figure.
You criticise my posts yet have clearly not read them fully. God help your employees. If they exist. Billy Bluffer.
 
I’m not struggling with anything nor am I bluffing. There are major global engineering companies that have very successfully building deep design and project management capabilities in India that they deploy on projects globally. I’ve worked for two.
I work fo one too. We have few problems (apart from time zone lag), and we also have successful teams based in Poland and other places too. I guess others experiences may differ.
 
You criticise my posts yet have clearly not read them fully. God help your employees. If they exist. Billy Bluffer.
Au contraire. I’ve read your posts, which appear quite contradictory. But the first one I replied to was a downright racist typecasting of “Gupta” as unable to produce quality drawings. I challenged you on that, because it’s blatantly untrue.

And you’ve since claimed not to be a racist. For the last time, the use of “Gupta” as a pejorative term to describe Indians as a whole is the language of the 1970s.
 
Au contraire. I’ve read your posts, which appear quite contradictory. But the first one I replied to was a downright racist typecasting of “Gupta” as unable to produce quality drawings. I challenged you on that, because it’s blatantly untrue.

And you’ve since claimed not to be a racist. For the last time, the use of “Gupta” as a pejorative term to describe Indians as a whole is the language of the 1970s.
Gosh, well that's me told. And by a successful big businessman as well.

Allegedly.
 
Au contraire. I’ve read your posts, which appear quite contradictory. But the first one I replied to was a downright racist typecasting of “Gupta” as unable to produce quality drawings. I challenged you on that, because it’s blatantly untrue.

And you’ve since claimed not to be a racist. For the last time, the use of “Gupta” as a pejorative term to describe Indians as a whole is the language of the 1970s.

Quite, everyone knows they're called Bob Shawadiwadi these days

 
Entirely sensible, there's no need for office work to be based south these days.

There's no need for the majority of office work to be based anywhere now, apart from at home; one of the positives of Covid-19.

We're going through the process now of permanently switching from office-based as the default with working from home as the exception, to working at home and going in to the office exceptionally. A floor plate of nearly 200 individual desks is being reduced to one of 50 hot desks.

ETA: the term de jour is 'hybrid working'.



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I'm seeing a lot more IT contracts that are WFH, but they want you to be close by for meetings

Thank goodness the public sector hasn't discovered Zoom etc yet
 
Quite, everyone knows they're called Bob Shawadiwadi these days

Oh you casual racist you. I'm so shocked. Consider yourself summarily dismissed from BtB Mong Industries PLC.

Happily I've got the bluffer on ignore. That kind of bluffing dribble I can live without. Did I mention he's a bluffer?
 

cowgoesmoo

Old-Salt
I remember years ago we were on holiday in Norfolk. In the local shop one day I overheard an obvious southern toff asking the shopkeeper how much 3 slices of corned beef would cost from the meat counter. That's not something a northerner would ever do, they'd buy a pack or tin, job jobbed.

At a rough guess the southerner was mortgaged to buggery and back and couldn't afford to live properly. If that was the case, what a mug.
Maybe he only wanted 3 slices?? Wasting money buying things you don't need is why a lot of poor people stay poor. The 53p saved on unnecessary corned beef could have been invested in assets forthe future, might not be much on its own but multiply that mindset across everything you buy and you could have the wealth of a southerner in no time.

Got to say though that if your idea of living properly is buying a tin of corned beef then you may need to broaden your horizons a bit..
 
I'm seeing a lot more IT contracts that are WFH, but they want you to be close by for meetings

Thank goodness the public sector hasn't discovered Zoom etc yet
They have - 0A is public sector and always on it. I know this because when she is, it causes the connection to my work to either slow down or drop out entirely!!

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Maybe he only wanted 3 slices?? Wasting money buying things you don't need is why a lot of poor people stay poor. The 53p saved on unnecessary corned beef could have been invested in assets forthe future, might not be much on its own but multiply that mindset across everything you buy and you could have the wealth of a southerner in no time.

Got to say though that if your idea of living properly is buying a tin of corned beef then you may need to broaden your horizons a bit..
Corned beef? Pfft. Spam is where it's at, it's the future.
 
Had a big chat with my better half the other day about her thoughts on the issue (she if frighteningly intelligent) and her answer is to begin with countering the brian drain to London and the SE for skilled graduates.
Many northern univercities are now beginning to really specilaise in engineering (UCLAN here in Preston has just completed a huge new engineering building) as well as making an environment where graduates and young entrepreneurs can get the backing and support they need. Currently, and AFAIK, only London and it's digital roundabout area provide that.
We do have many universities that specialise in science and technology up here and it would be a great move to give their talent opportunity to thrive up here espeially whenman of the graduates are from the local areas.

Many of those I do know who left the north for London over a decade ago are now wanting to get out. Their seemingly high wage is now eaten into by high rents and living costs.
There is no way they can afford a house even wth a 50k a year wage and the realisation that quality of life can acutally have a price has finally dawned on them.

I think that whatever the outcome there are major hurdles to overcome, not least, that many towns and cities have seen so little govt investment over the past 40 years that infrastrcuture will be very hard to fix unless some tough decisions are taken. By this I mean that things such as situating new industries will have to involve the creation of new industrial areas as the old factory are pretty much now housing and retail parks.
They need to stop the aforementione brain drain as well as sortign out prublic transport, which in and around major towns a cities is fine(ish), one you get outside of there it can be anything from poor to a once a week service (one-way).
We also need better vocational training instead of pumping out loads of graduates skilled to do little else apart from heading straight for the nearest office job. The north used to be where we innovated and we need to get that back.
I suspect a positive media campaign would also do wonders in encouraging talent from elsewhere.
Want a better quality of life, lots of fresh air with gorgeous countyside and landscapes? Want freindlier people and the ability to own your own home easier?
There is a lot to offer up here and it does seem that there is never a defense, or even mention, of the norths positives from the London centric media. It's almost always The South = rich and nice whilst The North = grim and poor, whilst at the same time never considerign that the areas that are grim and poor (more than a few) were made so almost by govt policy.

Urgh, I'd better come back to this. More of a sunday morning rant and need some fresh air (we have lots of that!) to clear my head.
 
I'm seeing a lot more IT contracts that are WFH, but they want you to be close by for meetings

Thank goodness the public sector hasn't discovered Zoom etc yet
Which bit of the public sector hasn’t? My other half has been WFH on Zoom or Teams apart from two days since March.
 
Which bit of the public sector hasn’t? My other half has been WFH on Zoom or Teams apart from two days since March.
My lot (private sector) have a weekly Teams meeting and folks occasionally contact me on Teams. It's never a video call though. Probably for the best.
 

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