How the US fired Jack Straw

#1
Another first for Tony

The Foreign Secretary spoke his mind on the Middle East — and became a target in Washington
WHEN JACK STRAW was replaced by Margaret Beckett as Foreign Secretary, it seemed an almost inexplicable event. Mr Straw had been very competent — experienced, serious, moderate and always well briefed. Margaret Beckett is embarrassingly inexperienced. I made inquiries in Washington and was told that Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, had taken exception to Mr Straw’s statement that it would be “nuts” to bomb Iran. The United States, it was said, had put pressure on Tony Blair to change his Foreign Secretary. Mr Straw had been fired at the request of the Bush Administration, particularly at the Pentagon.

Mr Straw was indeed dismissed because of American anxieties..... Dr Rice herself had become worried, on her visit to Blackburn, by Mr Straw’s dependence on Muslim votes. About 20 per cent of the voters in Blackburn are Islamic; Mr Straw was dismissed only four weeks after Dr Rice’s visit to his constituency.

A US source told them that “Mr Straw’s views did not find favour in the White House and its concerns were passed on to the British Government”. That confirms that the Foreign Secretary was effectively dismissed by an American President.

This is not entirely unprecedented, but the precedent is a bad one. In 1938 Neville Chamberlain wanted to pursue his policy of appeasement, which was opposed by the young Foreign Secretary, Anthony Eden. Chamberlain conspired with the Italian Ambassador in London, Count Grandi, at a Downing Street meeting. Eden was virtually forced to resign on the appeasement issue. I do not know of any other example of a British Prime Minister allowing a foreign power, friendly or otherwise, to decide a senior Cabinet appointment.


Article in full

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2301799,00.html
 
#2
Straw policys of appeaseing Iran were a complete failure. They didnt slow down Irans nuke program. They didnt stop Iran from financeing terrorists group alll across middle east like Hezbolla. They didnt help makeing Iraq more stable. And most importantly they didnt even stop Iran from training and sending weapons to factions in Basra that used them to kill UK soldiers and civilians.

He put the UK in postion of haveing policy of not even being able to admit Irans agression against UK force in Iraq. The effect of this was to make UK forces no more then canon fodder in his failed diplomacy of lies.

History will regard Straw with disgust for letting Iran kill UK troops and refuseing to even acknowledge the source.

He was also part of a anti Blair cabal that was trying to oust Blair and in all probability that is why he was sacked US dislike of him and his treasonist actions in regards to UK forces in Iraq were probally only secondary issues to Blair.
 
#3
Sorry??????????

All of the above again please, in English.
 
#4
Sorry Siddar, as PartTimePongo suggests, your post is complete codswallop. Negotiation was the only way forward. Straw was right, and the current appalling situation across the Middle East can only be seen as demonstrating the complete failure of the Neo-Cons. But like a man who has gambled away his house in a game of cards, they just cant stop themselves from keeping on gambling, pushing forward in the vain and stupid belief that they will win in the end. The amount of damage this sorry mess has done to relations between the Christian and Muslim worlds is not going to be easily repaired. Faced with terrorists, the British army learnt over years and years of experience that the only way to win was to sideline them, to starve them of support and publicity. All the GWOT or whatever stupid title they give it now has done has been to feed the terrorists with publicity and more and more recruits who hate America and its allies.
 
#5
The main reason for Jack Straw moving from the FO was his own request to be replaced, as he could no longer support TB's policies with regard to
Iraq & Iran.
 

Mr Happy

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#6
To remind viewers...

Edwina Curry said tha most eggs have saemonella (sp?). She was right. Everybody knew it except the public. This was based on Govt Health Dept report.

NFU (a union FFS) complained and doged the question.

Maggie sacked her.

Eggs now have dates printed on them (as if that prevents saemonella).

Now that is an example of a a govt. sacking a Minister (for Health? IIRC) on union pressure.
 
#7
Gremlin

Am I missing something profound and significant here? The conventional means of removing oneself from an appointment is resignation. Asking for someone to remove you seems a tad too devious even for the current bunch of kn*bends.
 
#8
Siddar said:
Straw policys of appeaseing Iran were a complete failure. They didnt slow down Irans nuke program. They didnt stop Iran from financeing terrorists group alll across middle east like Hezbolla. They didnt help makeing Iraq more stable. And most importantly they didnt even stop Iran from training and sending weapons to factions in Basra that used them to kill UK soldiers and civilians.

He put the UK in postion of haveing policy of not even being able to admit Irans agression against UK force in Iraq. The effect of this was to make UK forces no more then canon fodder in his failed diplomacy of lies.

History will regard Straw with disgust for letting Iran kill UK troops and refuseing to even acknowledge the source.

He was also part of a anti Blair cabal that was trying to oust Blair and in all probability that is why he was sacked US dislike of him and his treasonist actions in regards to UK forces in Iraq were probally only secondary issues to Blair.
Be honest- you don't know what you're talking about, do you?
 
#9
Jack Straw is clearly still concerned with the situation in the Middle east and Blairs policy there. He need not make any comments to the press regarding the actions of the warring factions, but does because he knows he has political clout in the present situation. He is not meddling he is rightfully concerned that his "good" work is being undermined by a tired caravanning close relation of Ken Dodd!

Kofi Annan did not forget that there was another FS when he called Jack Straw, he phoned the man with a feasible understanding of the situation. The Outgoing secretary had a plan and some relevance to the area of interest. For some reason the beloved leader changed helms in the worst of conditions! Meaning our foreign policy is being lead by a woman who referred to the Israel Lebanon scenario as a "fuss."

re: Beckett

dodd
 
#10
Passed-over_Loggie said:
Gremlin

Am I missing something profound and significant here? The conventional means of removing oneself from an appointment is resignation. Asking for someone to remove you seems a tad too devious even for the current bunch of kn*bends.
Which would imply that you know very little about Jack Straw then.

He did not wish to continue and took advantage of the reshuffle, without causing embarassment to the Party (- a shame IMHO). He was not after a further Cabinet post Btw.
 
#11
Jack's problem's started when he criticised Israel on THAT tour, probably compounded by his comments on policy towards Iran , and certain other Arab countries with Anglophile presidents, out of line with US and Israel hysterics.
 

Mr Happy

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#12
If Gordon Brown wasn't next in line for the Premiership, would Jack be a contender?

Wondering if it was also a sop to Brown so his way remains clear for the move?
 
#13
Straw has principles and stands by them, he has never denied being in CND or a being az student communist. Labour dont like honest people, he needs to have a few skeletons in his cupboard and less backbone before they will consider putting him somehwere where integrity will be necessary.
 
#14
Funnily enough Mr Happy, I was thinking the other day that JS would be a far more decent PM than this current arrogant gobshyte.

He seems a man of integrity. No matter what his other flaws and vices are, he gets my vote based on that alone, considering what we put up with now.
 
#15
I think Jack will be a part of a leadership bid. If Brown thinks he's going to get a coronation , he is sadly mistaken.
 
#16
Sadly im not sure that Blair will allow it.

Straw woiuld find it very easy to have a kruschev style vilification of Blair as soon as he took power, redirecting foreign policy extensively and apologising for the years of madness that had preceded him.

Blair will appoint his successor (though Im sure that cant happen in an elected democracy) to save his own face. The failed rockstar will want to ensure nothing tarnishes his reputation as the "cool britannia" "special relationship" "alliance of the willing" "not a time for soundbites" preside......... Prime Minister.
 

Mr Happy

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#17
PartTimePongo said:
I think Jack will be a part of a leadership bid. If Brown thinks he's going to get a coronation , he is sadly mistaken.
As you say.... There is a well known rumour on Fleet St that I heard over dinner last year that .........*SNIP* but my point is, I wonder if Straw is the lead straight contender.


PTP, feel free to edit as you see fit.

Errrrrr I had to , I could almost hear the slavering of chops at the Temple from here.
 
#18
Jack was a bumbling fool, should of been out of the cabinet long ago.

But i'am not at all happy with this theory of the U.S. forcing him out.
If true it'll be a damn disgrace. How long can we go on like this.
Everyone critises the French but at least they have the common sence to tell america to f**k up when they get full of themselves. :lol:

I hear it was to do with jacks constituency, having too many muslims.
Its a bit rich from the yanks especially Conni Rice.
Seeing she and them continually going on how she came from an area full of racism and dicrimination isnt this the same case only she is the big boss now :(
 

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