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how seriously is BMI taken?

#1
tried a search, couldnt find much..

Im 5'9 , 97kg's BMI is roughly 32.
I weight trained for 2 years prior to apllying for the army, put on alot of weight that way, run the PFT in under 9 mins, PB is 8:36.
So if this is taken into account will I be let through, or do I need to lose 2 stone to get down to BMI of 28?

Im not sure where im going to get 2 stone from as I dont have much fat on my body.
I dont have selection until April 2012, going for rifles.
 
#2
The army use height, weight and waist measurements to ascertain your BMI, but if you ask you local AFCO they will be able to help you further.

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#3
my son's bmi was over 28 they just measured his % body fat and said it was fine at 11%. He works out a lot and keeps fit and had no fat to lose from anywhere.
 
#8
BMI is taken more seriously by the Defence Medical Services than it really deserves. But that's the army for you - lots of petty rules. Get used to it. The medics will look at you and if you look like a fit rugby prop (or a medium cat weightlifter) you will get almost certainly through.

(Hell, I look like a kilderkin and I still get through what is technically a joining medical. I am ancient, though.)
 
#9
BMI is taken more seriously by the Defence Medical Services than it really deserves. But that's the army for you - lots of petty rules. Get used to it. The medics will look at you and if you look like a fit rugby prop (or a medium cat weightlifter) you will get almost certainly through.

(Hell, I look like a kilderkin and I still get through what is technically a joining medical. I am ancient, though.)
Yeah............But if you are an 'in denial' Fat Knacker, like a lots of obese knackers now a days. The medics will suss it out & hopefully, you won't get in. The Army needs Fit people, not Fat knackers.
The OP said he was 5'9" with a BMI of 32 & had done as personal best, a BFT at 8min 32 secs.
Even if he was a muscley fat free rugby player or weight lifter, I would be prepared to organise a proper BFT for him.
Because unless he's superman........there's NO WAY!
The guy is clearly a Fitness Walt!
 
#10
Yeah............But if you are an 'in denial' Fat Knacker, like a lots of obese knackers now a days. The medics will suss it out & hopefully, you won't get in. The Army needs Fit people, not Fat knackers.
The OP said he was 5'9" with a BMI of 32 & had done as personal best, a BFT at 8min 32 secs.
Even if he was a muscley fat free rugby player or weight lifter, I would be prepared to organise a proper BFT for him.
Because unless he's superman........there's NO WAY!
The guy is clearly a Fitness Walt!
Not sure what you are trying to say here?
I play rugby for cornwall U18's, weight train 5 nights a week, and have been running 2 miles, 3 nights a week for the last 6 months.
a PB of 8:36 is definately realistic, and I know it is correct.
 
#11
Not sure what you are trying to say here?
I play rugby for cornwall U18's, weight train 5 nights a week, and have been running 2 miles, 3 nights a week for the last 6 months.
a PB of 8:36 is definately realistic, and I know it is correct.
So....you're 5'9" & your BMI is 32.........Now that is well into the Morbidly Obese bracket.

Now assuming that those figures are correct. & I'm only going by what you've indicated, that would make you VERY Muscley, in the Arnie Schwaznegger or Charles Atlas mould.
Or you are a wobbling tub of lard!

Lets go with the scenario, that you are just a big fit lad!

Either way, an over developed person in that mould, would be stong, certainly, & he would be capable of sprinting in short bursts, 100/200 or even 300m.
But to sustain that throughout a distance is VERY unlikely, well cetainly not at the timings you mention.

If in the very unlikely event, you are actually telling the truth. Then the Army will jump at the chance of employing you. Because you'll be the only Morbidly Obese person in the Army with a BMI of 32, who can do a PFT in 8.32mins.:)
 
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#12
how seriously is BMI taken?
Far too seriously, when you consider that it is
appropriate for population studies, and inappropriate for individual diagnosis. Nevertheless, due to its simplicity, it came to be widely used for individual diagnosis, despite its inappropriateness.
according to wiki.

It is a simple method of putting the fear of God up people on medicals. Now, does anyone mind if I have that last donut?
 
#13
Either way, an over developed person in that mould, would be stong, certainly, & he would be capable of sprinting in short bursts, 100/200 or even 300m.
But to sustain that throughout a distance is VERY unlikely, well cetainly not at the timings you mention.
Seen that before, during trade training there was an Pioneer Cpl called Rick who could easily be a stunt double for Frank Bruno, the guy was massive. I think he just barely passed a BFT but you could stick a 100lb bergan on his back and his BFT time would be exactly the same. Don't think he had anything to worry about in terms of people judging his fitness.
 
#14
So....you're 5'9" & your BMI is 32.........Now that is well into the Morbidly Obese bracket.

Now assuming that those figures are correct. & I'm only going by what you've indicated, that would make you VERY Muscley, in the Arnie Schwaznegger or Charles Atlas mould.
Or you are a wobbling tub of lard!

Lets go with the scenario, that you are just a big fit lad!

Either way, an over developed person in that mould, would be stong, certainly, & he would be capable of sprinting in short bursts, 100/200 or even 300m.
But to sustain that throughout a distance is VERY unlikely, well cetainly not at the timings you mention.

If in the very unlikely event, you are actually telling the truth. Then the Army will jump at the chance of employing you. Because you'll be the only Morbidly Obese person in the Army with a BMI of 32, who can do a PFT in 8.32mins.:)
BMI of 32 is obese, just. Definately not morbidly obese.
Not sure what distance your working on then, a PFT for me is 800m warm up followed by 1.5 miles in best time,
Im not here to argue over the internet about a run time I know I have run,
BMI is a mesurement directly corresponding to your height, therefore 5'9 with a BMI of 32 makes me 97kg's,
as mentioned in the first post.
 
#16
According to a friend who is a practice nurse (that doesn't mean she needs lots of practice), BMI has a context.

If you're a fit muscley type and have a high BMI, no problem. BUT what tends to happen is that as we get older and less and less fit, the BMI stays the same and our health risks spiral. It is rare for someone who is a big, fit unit to suddenly lose loads of weight as they get older and less fit.

So a high BMI now might not be a terrible thing but it indicates a high risk in later life.

Does that make sense ?
 
#17
Im 6ft 2 and 92 Kg and my PB is 08.21. 2up3down is working on the fact that a muscular frame would carry large, over developed fast twitch muscles which consume energy at a phenomenal rate compared to your marathon runners' slow twitch muscles. Over a longer distance an average school girl could outrun an olympic weight lifter. However, we are only taking about 3.2km and if sufficiently conditioned, through rugby and running etc, a large frame could stumble round this distance in a good time.
 
#18
I'm with TTUTTD on this. You blokes are talking about lads who are big all round, 6'2", 6'4" "built like Frank Bruno" etc. The OP is 5'9" and over 15 stone (think Harold "Oddjob" Sakata) unless his timings are downhill or on a treadmill, they're highly suspect.
 
#20
6"1 and 98 kilos, computer says I'm a fat ****....
Haven't you seen the PC memo.......your classed as Cuddly.All organisations have minimum standards, BMI if slightly over the 28/29 mark can be taken into consideration by the SMO/Med staff if deemed its all muscle ..........if over 32 BMI you are too much even to join the MPGS.Other organisations have requirements...McDonalds won't employ you unless you have at least 12 Zits...............Burger King if you can spell your own name dont apply.............the list goes on.By the end of the day the BMI questions been asked 100s of times on here, it doesn't matter how many experts you have going on about it the main ones are the Recruiter who will judge if your close to the BMI then the SMO.
 

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