How easy is it to re activate a deactive firearm?

#1
read in the paper a soldier was getting done for having 20 odd ak47s, makarov (sp) pistols ect from iraq and afghan and all had been brought in to the country deactivated and when he was raided they were active, just wondering if it was easy to do or if it would take someone skilled to do it
 
#3
On my Ruger Mini 14 de activated by Helston guns they drilled out the breach block and fireing pin and cut an 8 inch slot into the underside of barrel through to the bore, and welded up the rest of the barrel, it would still feed a drill round but that was about it.
 
#4
Freddy Forsyth wrote all about falsly deactivating a weapon to bring it into the country, think it was in 'Day of the Jackal', it would be very easy to provide a 'deactivated' weapon that on first glance would appear to comply, the details I wouldn't have thought were for an open forum though, people might get ideas ;-)
 
#5
It would be easier to make one from scratch, which is the point of current deactivation legislation. All the importantload-bearing bits are cut off, most of the moving bits are welded together. It's a collection of scrap that resembles a firearm.

There was a documentary on a few years ago that showed an amateur gunsmith test firing a Uzi he'd reactivated. He hid under the table and operated the trigger with a long bit of string. He obviously knew the quality of his wares.
 
#6
To make a pretty good recoil opperated sub machine gun is hardly rocket science, a modern CNC lathe and bobs your uncle, you can get all the info you need on the net, to make a "Bang Stick" you only need to go to your local DIY superstore
 
#7
TartanTrooper said:
read in the paper a soldier was getting done for having 20 odd ak47s, makarov (sp) pistols ect from iraq and afghan and all had been brought in to the country deactivated and when he was raided they were active, just wondering if it was easy to do or if it would take someone skilled to do it
As has been said it depends on how they were deactivated. If they were done to current UK standards you can pretty much forget it. If they were done to older UK standards you would still need barrels and a lot of machining work. Anyone who could do it would be able to build one from scratch. You'd maybe be using the trigger group and the stock etc. Everything else is usually fubared.

Odds are they weren't actually deactivated when he brought them in.
 
#9
EX_STAB said:
TartanTrooper said:
read in the paper a soldier was getting done for having 20 odd ak47s, makarov (sp) pistols ect from iraq and afghan and all had been brought in to the country deactivated and when he was raided they were active, just wondering if it was easy to do or if it would take someone skilled to do it
As has been said it depends on how they were deactivated. If they were done to current UK standards you can pretty much forget it. If they were done to older UK standards you would still need barrels and a lot of machining work. Anyone who could do it would be able to build one from scratch. You'd maybe be using the trigger group and the stock etc. Everything else is usually fubared.

Odds are they weren't actually deactivated when he brought them in.
I wonder how he got DEAC certificates in Iraq
 
#10
It used to be that workshops could do a deact for you and you could get it back with a simple sticker...I expect that has changed since I left though
 
#11
Reactivating blocked barrels can be tricky even with a decent lathe if they have been deactivated properly . I won't go into too many details but essentially even if you can remove the blockage, it is important to get the barrel straight (obviously) and without removing too much material, otherwise you'll not get a tight fitting round and all the propellant gases will escape. If the barrel is overheated during the drilling out process the material properties of the barrel can change. I wouldn't want to be the one to try and proof the barrel if your intention was to fire a full power cartridge after a reactivation done in the garage. It is easier to start from scratch and get a new barrel.

However, it does entirely depend on how it has been deactivated as stated before.
 
#12
In order to benefit from the deactivation allowed by the Firearms Amendment Act of 1988, the weapon has to be deactivated to tht current Home Office standard and then go through one of the two Proof Houses. There is no discretion on this because it is all written into the Statute.

Prior to the Act it was down to each individual Police Force to decide whether to put it to a Court to decide if a 'deactivated' firearm was still a firearm. Which is still the case for a firearm with out a Proof House Deactivation Certificate and/or mark.
 
#13
MittMayo said:
How long is a piece of string?

It depends 'HOW' they were deactivated.
Exactly. If a rifle has been deactivated properly, then in thoery it should be impossible.
 
#14
tropper66 said:
To make a pretty good recoil opperated sub machine gun is hardly rocket science, a modern CNC lathe and bobs your uncle, you can get all the info you need on the net, to make a "Bang Stick" you only need to go to your local DIY superstore
Recoil Operated submachinegun? Blowback maybe, like a Sten gun or MAC-11 as they are pretty crude to begin with. Here in NYC I've seen a Very fine condition Dewat PPsh-41 and all that's been done is to plug the chamber face. a Barrel replacement and its up and running.
 
#15
The guns that were coming out of Afg at one time were all antiques and did not need deactivation...

There was a scheme for backloading "trophies" back to UK, but this was only available to units who had to pay for deactivation and certification back in UK. This was not available to individuals.

There was not a scheme for bringing back personal arms from Iraq. Captured weapons were either recycled back to the Iraqi Police/Army or destroyed. A small number went back as training aids, but again were backloaded through official channels.
 
#16
As above, even if you were skilled enough to replicate the working parts would you want to, and if you got caught with an unlicenced firearm what would the consiquences be. apart from flogging it on e.bay as a deac......
 

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#17
As already pointed out, it's a waste of time. Even the old style deacs are a right pain, because it pretty much always included the blocking of the barrel.

If you do get the barrel drilled out, you basically wind up with a rattly smoothbore which isn't accurate at all, or something in which the back-pressure makes it highly dangerous to the user.

The whole point of the exercise is to make the whole process such a pain in the arrse, and to have the attemptee wind up with sumething that is so substandard, they might as well not have bothered.

Another point to note is that the law on firearms covers many, many aspects of firearms crimes, including ANY device fashioned to fire a projectile using an accelerant, whether it looks like a gat or not. One only has to get a block of steel with a hole in it, and if it looks like there's an attachment that knocks a primer at the back, you're likely to be going to jail if you get found with it.

One would imagine it's easier to get fully live gats on the black market than it is to reactivate one, or make one from scratch. The black market was never affected by the new firearms laws; they only affected those with legitimate certificates who happened to be the easy targets for knee-jerk bans.

As for getting caught in any of the above situations, it's a minimum 5 year stretch and/or a large fine running into thousands.

The simple truth is, why the fcuk bother? If you haven't got a crime sheet, and you want anything other than Section 5, then there's lots of ways of going about getting yourself a gat.

First off is to get a licence, by either joining a club, or getting land you can lawfully shoot on (a farmer might give you permission to control his vermin for example).

Want an MP5? Get yourself a .22 lookalike version from any one of half a dozen manufacturers for under £1k.

Want a CAR15? See above.

Want an AK? See above.

Want to run around blowing holes in doors and things with a shotgun? Get yourself a Benelli or something and join a club to do 'Practical Shotgun' shooting.

Want a .308, .338 or .50 calibre sniper rifle? Join a club and start saving your money.

Want any of a large number of calibres to go hunting with? Get some land, get permission, get a licence and buy yourself what you need for the job.

We are not living in a land of complete prohibition. Fcuk me, you can even get yourself pistols, albeit with unfeasably long barrels!

So, back to the point: Why bother?
 
#19
Hescoheed said:
Reactivating blocked barrels can be tricky even with a decent lathe if they have been deactivated properly .
You really don't know anything about this do you?
I won't go into too many details
because you haven't got a clue
but essentially even if you can remove the blockage,
the welded in tube that has been hammered into the drilled out barrel? :roll:
it is important to get the barrel straight (obviously) and without removing too much material,
:roll:
otherwise you'll not get a tight fitting round
of course you fcucking won't - 7.62 barrel, drilled out to 8.5mm, rod welded in that you are going to drill out :roll: and you think a 7.62 round will ever engage the non existent rifling ?
and all the propellant gases will escape. If the barrel is overheated during the drilling out process the material properties of the barrel can change.
oh please
I wouldn't want to be the one to try and proof the barrel if your intention was to fire a full power cartridge after a reactivation done in the garage. It is easier to start from scratch and get a new barrel.

However, it does entirely depend on how it has been deactivated as stated before.
A little bit of knowledge..........
 
#20
In about 2005, I visited an old army mucker in Bristol. He wanted to frame three de-activated pistols he'd bought. They were a .45 ACP, a Glock 17 and a Browning Hi-Power. It was my job to make the special deep frames and do the framing for him, since I'm actually a trained picture-framer and he wasn't sure how to go about it.

Out of curiosity, I stripped down the Browning for a butcher's and it was totally destroyed inside. It was still possible to rooster it and squeeze the trigger so that the hammer dropped, but otherwise the guide-rails on the grip had been virtually ground away, as had the locking ribs on top of the barrel. In addition, the barrel had been drilled out to about an inch from the muzzle, there was a 7 mm gap from the chamber to about halfway along the barrel and a solid piece of rod had been welded across the chamber. In the slide, the firing-pin and the bit that grabs the cartridge had been ground back about an inch. About the only bit that was usable, apart from the trigger mechanism, was the return spring and plunger. He also had de-activation certificates from (I think) Birmingham, but I could be wrong there. There's no possible way you're ever going to get a pistol like that back into action.

But all three looked very nice on his wall. I mounted them on matt-gold backgrounds.

MsG
 

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