How does the 2 REP (FFL) compare to the British Paras?

Just a token warry pic I found ......... it's my weekend, there's no emergency or balls-up to sort out, the Missus is back in in Blighty and I'm just relaxing on ARRSE and elswhere on the net. Looking forward to celebrating Camerone with the lads of the UK amicale this year.
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Not too bad, less rough than when I started. I'm by no means an ancienne yet but there are more recruits that have joined the company so my promo is no longer the youngest (hooray). Other than that the regiment is doing its annual exercise at the moment but I'm staying behind to do a course.
 
Not too bad, less rough than when I started. I'm by no means an ancienne yet but there are more recruits that have joined the company so my promo is no longer the youngest (hooray). Other than that the regiment is doing its annual exercise at the moment but I'm staying behind to do a course.
Congrats! On a course already. Looks as if you’ve made your mark.
Pity about missing the exercise. I remember my first exposure to the annual Airborne Brigade (GAP) exercise, just a few weeks after getting to Calvi. Getting dropped into the Dordogne and tabbing about all over the place. Gorgeous woods and hills and river valleys. Although 2REP had already got the FAMAS, I remember we were still using the old FSA MAS 49/56 rifle and PM MAT 49 sub-machine gun on the exercise. I had the latter and really appreciated it’s small size, weight and general design.
I think we were still using these on exercise as there were not enough blank firing attachments and blank ammunition issued yet for the FAMAS and thus we had loads of leftover 9mm blank to get rid of as well! I recall hosing down the enemy very enthusiastically on each assault.
Have you been issued the FAMAS replacement yet? The HK-416.
 
Not too bad, less rough than when I started. I'm by no means an ancienne yet but there are more recruits that have joined the company so my promo is no longer the youngest (hooray). Other than that the regiment is doing its annual exercise at the moment but I'm staying behind to do a course.
Congrats! On a course already. Looks as if you’ve made your mark.
Pity about missing the exercise. I remember my first exposure to the annual Airborne Brigade (GAP) exercise, just a few weeks after getting to Calvi. Getting dropped into the Dordogne and tabbing about all over the place. Gorgeous woods and hills and river valleys. Although 2REP had already got the FAMAS, I remember we were still using the old FSA MAS 49/56 rifle and PM MAT 49 sub-machine gun on the exercise. I had the latter and really appreciated it’s small size, weight and general design.
I think we were still using these on exercise as there were not enough blank firing attachments and blank ammunition issued yet for the FAMAS and thus we had loads of leftover 9mm blank to get rid of as well! I recall hosing down the enemy very enthusiastically on each assault.
Have you been issued the FAMAS replacement yet? The HK-416.
Isn't that what 5th company are carrying on their exercise, or are they loaners?
 
Never start with an apology; I apologise for drifting this thread but it seems that rather than starting a new thread in multinational, there will be those here who can answer. On a recent visit to Paris I toddled off to the Musée de l'Armée and very good it was too. I had been there some 35 years ago and wanted to revisit it.
I have long had a fascination with Dien Bien Phu - it started at school; when a barkingly leftist history teacher gave us a full "glorious people's revolution" digest of the battle. God knows how he got away with it. Since then I have read as much as I can and my copy of Hell in a Very Mall Place is pretty dog eared. This led on to an interest in Algeria and post colonial France.

I appreciate that Indochina and particularly Algeria split French public opinion. But why no inclusion in the museum. I could have sworn Indochina was included in 1982 but hey, many brain cells lost since then. I did ask one of the staff who just waved me to the WW2 section and said it's all included there - it wasn't. Could I have missed it? Is Algeria just too painful to include? DBP books available in the shop and a very few on Algeria.

Seems a shame. Any thoughts?
 
Just a token warry pic I found ......... it's my weekend, there's no emergency or balls-up to sort out, the Missus is back in in Blighty and I'm just relaxing on ARRSE and elswhere on the net. Looking forward to celebrating Camerone with the lads of the UK amicale this year.
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That looks a tidy bit of kit he's holding - reminds me of the GPMG I once had the pleasure of using - nowadays the new weaponry makes us lot ( you included =D ) a bunch of Neanderthals.....great pic though @Condottiere - nice one, indeed.
 
Never start with an apology; I apologise for drifting this thread but it seems that rather than starting a new thread in multinational, there will be those here who can answer. On a recent visit to Paris I toddled off to the Musée de l'Armée and very good it was too. I had been there some 35 years ago and wanted to revisit it.
I have long had a fascination with Dien Bien Phu - it started at school; when a barkingly leftist history teacher gave us a full "glorious people's revolution" digest of the battle. God knows how he got away with it. Since then I have read as much as I can and my copy of Hell in a Very Mall Place is pretty dog eared. This led on to an interest in Algeria and post colonial France.

I appreciate that Indochina and particularly Algeria split French public opinion. But why no inclusion in the museum. I could have sworn Indochina was included in 1982 but hey, many brain cells lost since then. I did ask one of the staff who just waved me to the WW2 section and said it's all included there - it wasn't. Could I have missed it? Is Algeria just too painful to include? DBP books available in the shop and a very few on Algeria.

Seems a shame. Any thoughts?
I wish I could give you a reply. It's been a long time since I went there. Yes, both conflicts are painful for France. Indochina maybe less so as the next lot there didn't do much better. But both wars still stir up considerable passions on both sides of the argument in France. Particularly as the powerful French communist lobby was prominent in advocating for the other side both times. As in WW2 it followed Moscow's guiding (red) star - most people aren't aware that the French communists only started resisting after Barbarossa when Hitler turned on his erstwhile ally of covenience, Stalin.

Algeria is more painful because:
1. It was a part of France with long established settlers (Pieds Noirs).
2. Algerians fought on both sides. (Called Harkis on the French side).
3. It was a brutal war (then again very few aren't).
4. Militarily the French won.
5. Politically (which is what counts), they lost.
6. It demoralised the French Army and disillusioned many French troops.
7. The Harkis and the Pieds Noirs got royally shafted.
8. The Algerian nation was rewarded with the merde of socialist authoritarianism.
9. On the back of that France became home to masses of Algerian economic migrants.
10. Even now the Algerian War is not officially recognised as such in France, but as a conflict.

Sorry more thread drift above. But the Algerian war also led to the "General's Putsch", the dissolution of 1 REP and the expulsion of the Legion from its home at Sidi bel Abbes and the land of its original "raison d'etre". It was a painful rupture and questions were even raised about the very future of the Legion.

Recorded by the Officers of 1 REP when in military custody at the Fort de Nogent in Paris.
 
I wish I could give you a reply. It's been a long time since I went there. Yes, both conflicts are painful for France. Indochina maybe less so as the next lot there didn't do much better. But both wars still stir up considerable passions on both sides of the argument in France. Particularly as the powerful French communist lobby was prominent in advocating for the other side both times. As in WW2 it followed Moscow's guiding (red) star - most people aren't aware that the French communists only started resisting after Barbarossa when Hitler turned on his erstwhile ally of covenience, Stalin.

Algeria is more painful because:
1. It was a part of France with long established settlers (Pieds Noirs).
2. Algerians fought on both sides. (Called Harkis on the French side).
3. It was a brutal war (then again very few aren't).
4. Militarily the French won.
5. Politically (which is what counts), they lost.
6. It demoralised the French Army and disillusioned many French troops.
7. The Harkis and the Pieds Noirs got royally shafted.
8. The Algerian nation was rewarded with the merde of socialist authoritarianism.
9. On the back of that France became home to masses of Algerian economic migrants.
10. Even now the Algerian War is not officially recognised as such in France, but as a conflict.

Sorry more thread drift above. But the Algerian war also led to the "General's Putsch", the dissolution of 1 REP and the expulsion of the Legion from its home at Sidi bel Abbes and the land of its original "raison d'etre". It was a painful rupture and questions were even raised about the very future of the Legion.

Recorded by the Officers of 1 REP when in military custody at the Fort de Nogent in Paris.
What a great recording - thanks - and brings thread back to FFL!
 
I wish I could give you a reply. It's been a long time since I went there. Yes, both conflicts are painful for France. Indochina maybe less so as the next lot there didn't do much better. But both wars still stir up considerable passions on both sides of the argument in France. Particularly as the powerful French communist lobby was prominent in advocating for the other side both times. As in WW2 it followed Moscow's guiding (red) star - most people aren't aware that the French communists only started resisting after Barbarossa when Hitler turned on his erstwhile ally of covenience, Stalin.

Algeria is more painful because:
1. It was a part of France with long established settlers (Pieds Noirs).
2. Algerians fought on both sides. (Called Harkis on the French side).
3. It was a brutal war (then again very few aren't).
4. Militarily the French won.
5. Politically (which is what counts), they lost.
6. It demoralised the French Army and disillusioned many French troops.
7. The Harkis and the Pieds Noirs got royally shafted.
8. The Algerian nation was rewarded with the merde of socialist authoritarianism.
9. On the back of that France became home to masses of Algerian economic migrants.
10. Even now the Algerian War is not officially recognised as such in France, but as a conflict.

Sorry more thread drift above. But the Algerian war also led to the "General's Putsch", the dissolution of 1 REP and the expulsion of the Legion from its home at Sidi bel Abbes and the land of its original "raison d'etre". It was a painful rupture and questions were even raised about the very future of the Legion.

Recorded by the Officers of 1 REP when in military custody at the Fort de Nogent in Paris.
No. 6 said it ALL . Excellent summation in 10 points.

DBP - was something else - jumping into a 'Live' DZ - that does take some balls.
It was always spoken with reverence,as we all knew what it could be like - the courage shown by the FFL Paras,was something to be lauded not denigrated.

Your point number 6 really did exist,my next door neighbour was a French Para - and he often said ''it's the end of my Army, the commies have done for us'.....AND it takes time to rebuild the 'Esprit de Corps' (sp ? ) - which seems to be returning.
 

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