How do we get our country back?

Got to admit the all life matters thing is weird. Do they reply "all cancers matter" when people try to raise money for brain cancer for example.

I'm not really following the BLM, but I suspect people who are so preoccupied with all lives matter are probably a bit racist.
I wouldn't say that. I would suggest that eradicating parts of our collective history is nothing short of sinister.
 
Now if only the universities could root out the poison that is marxism and it's associated "studies"

If it doesn't happen soon, STEM will be the next target.

They went after the "student unions" first for a reason.
I think you're getting cause and effect mixed up. Yes, the creatures that infest student union politics often are the left wing hippy socialist types.

Either there is a conspiracy that normal students join in with union politics and are then brainwashed or the weirdos join because they are weirdos. What then happens is you get an echo chamber of weirdos.

In my experience (which apparently hasn't changed too much) the STEM and medical students generally don't get involved in the woke nonsense as they are too busy drinking, shagging, playing sport and occasionally doing some work.

Any unions will tend to attract the bellends to the top of their political appointments. Frankly anyone who wants to be a politician should be automatically barred from doing so.
 
Just heard a presenter on LBC say no one learns anything from statues. He sees lots of people walking past statues in London and they don't even notice them. Wonder if he thinks the same about libraries, book shops, art galleries and museums. Statues are all those rolled into one.
To answer the original question. Employ people to slap those who walk past any of the above without looking interested.
I'm sure you don't really believe that, because it would be very hard to show how one logically reached such a conclusion.
 

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Many years ago they would have been packed off to the armed forces or Merchant marine, today a criminal record blocks them from one of the few paths that could turn them into.... well at least semi-responsible adults.

You can't 'pack them off' into the merchant navy, it's a civilian organisation. It's Eddie Stobart with ships not keelhauling and flogging round the fleet.
 
Like denying Churchill has both good and bad points you mean? Perhaps we agree here.
I absolutely agree Churchill had good and bad points....I can't name a human being alive or dead that does/did not.

Accepting the past and learning from it are the hallmarks of cultural advancement.

Obliterating the past and losing those lessons is not only authoritarianism of the worst kind, it betrays future generations the lessons of bloodily-won and lost conflicts.

You may have the military experience of a marmite sandwich but even your ivory-towered intellect should see the inherent dangers of allowing extremism free voice.
 
I absolutely agree Churchill had good and bad points....I can't name a human being alive or dead that does/did not.

Accepting the past and learning from it are the hallmarks of cultural advancement.

Obliterating the past and losing those lessons is not only authoritarianism of the worst kind, it betrays future generations the lessons of bloodily-won and lost conflicts.

You may have the military experience of a marmite sandwich but even your ivory-towered intellect should see the inherent dangers of allowing extremism free voice.
I'd say eight years*, including one operational tour, lifetime pain because of the training for another operational tour, and time spent in the main places such as Germany (Paderborn, Hameln, Soest) and BATUS, and a transfer over to QARANC called off because of a congenital condition not picked up on attestation was a nice introduction to the military really.

Of course I see dangers in allowing extremism free voice. Except many seem to think that only applies to one of the groups, rather than both.

Do you think a little plinth listing all main points - negative and positive would be a solution to this statue debacle? A bit more sensible and civilised than throwing all statues into the sea, whilst maybe appeasing some of the people who are bothered about the white washing points raised earlier (especially if the whitewashing bit glosses over their ancestors experiences?).

*actually closer to 7 years and something like 250 days slotted in the the time between my 17th and 25th birthday for the hard of thinking who have difficulty imagining the timeline.
 
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Could all this violence and aggression result from one basic cause:

We haven't had a really big, all-out, bust-up war since 1945. That's 75 years of unnatural global peace.

Admittedly, during those years, there have been "local disturbances", like Korea, Vietnam, and all the trouble in the Middle East. But there's been nothing on a really big scale. No massive global war. Even though the weapons to fight such a war, have been available in the form of nuclear weapons.

Don't you find it astonishing that nuclear weapons have been kept idle for three-quarters of a century!

How much longer can this unnatural restraint continue, do you think, before the weapons are employed?
 
Could all this violence and aggression result from one basic cause:

We haven't had a really big, all-out, bust-up war since 1945. That's 75 years of unnatural global peace.

Admittedly, during those years, there have been "local disturbances", like Korea, Vietnam, and all the trouble in the Middle East. But there's been nothing on a really big scale. No massive global war. Even though the weapons to fight such a war, have been available in the form of nuclear weapons.

Don't you find it astonishing that nuclear weapons have been kept idle for three-quarters of a century!

How much longer can this unnatural restraint continue, do you think, before the weapons are employed?
Nucs are now obsolete, bio weapons are the future. Look at the situation today? All from a fish market of course !
 
Could all this violence and aggression result from one basic cause:

We haven't had a really big, all-out, bust-up war since 1945. That's 75 years of unnatural global peace.

Admittedly, during those years, there have been "local disturbances", like Korea, Vietnam, and all the trouble in the Middle East. But there's been nothing on a really big scale. No massive global war. Even though the weapons to fight such a war, have been available in the form of nuclear weapons.

Don't you find it astonishing that nuclear weapons have been kept idle for three-quarters of a century!

How much longer can this unnatural restraint continue, do you think, before the weapons are employed?
You might be on to something there. We won't see another total war like the Second World War again because of nuclear weapons. During the Second World War, it was all hands to the deck, or you went into clink. This meant that there was no opportunity for a fifth column to grow, because they'd have been sniffed out and removed from society, pronto.

Now that we've had three quarters of a century of no war, we've had three quarters of a century of weak government. I reckon this is what has allowed the fifth column to grow.

They are now starting to try and oust the old guard so they can have a pop at power. I know I have made parallels between the way that the Nazis came to power, but I wonder if this also has hallmarks of the way the Soviets siezed power.

An unchecked insurgency that promises paradise if they just throw off the (imaginary) chains. Also has an Islamist ring to it too.

Maybe we spend too much time worrying about the different flavours of insurgency. Maybe we should just focus on those that pretend themselves our rulers so they can implement their own narrow philosophies.

I believe the French noticed this a while ago when the coined the phrase 'Red-Green-Brown' to describe the loose coalition that has grown on the left:

Red–green–brown alliance - Wikipedia.

Bringing this back to the original point, 75 years of relative peace has left us vulnerable to the insurgency that has developed. I think this is the start of their push for power.
 
I wouldn't say that. I would suggest that eradicating parts of our collective history is nothing short of sinister.
So they ignore history and blank out that slavery ever existed, there were no slaves in the UK, Windrush was a fairy tale and there were no Afro-Carib types fighting in WW1 and 2. Martin Luther King was a fictitious figure and Michael X was a wizard in Harry Potter. BLM are going to have to be careful that in airbrushing history they airbrush themselves out. Perhaps we should point them in the direction of certain African states and ask them to go protest there as "Black Lives Matter." Or is that just in the West? :cool:
 
I'd say eight years*, including one operational tour, lifetime pain because of the training for another operational tour, and time spent in the main places such as Germany (Paderborn, Hameln, Soest) and BATUS, and a transfer over to QARANC called off because of a congenital condition not picked up on attestation was a nice introduction to the military really.

Of course I see dangers in allowing extremism free voice. Except many seem to think that only applies to one of the groups, rather than both.

Do you think a little plinth listing all main points - negative and positive would be a solution to this statue debacle? A bit more sensible and civilised than throwing all statues into the sea, whilst maybe appeasing some of the people who are bothered about the white washing points raised earlier (especially if the whitewashing bit glosses over their ancestors experiences?).

*actually closer to 7 years and something like 250 days slotted in the the time between my 17th and 25th birthday for the hard of thinking who have difficulty imagining the timeline.
I'd be hard pushed to find evidence that many ordinary folk think extremism from both sides of the political spectrum should not be restrained.

You're making the same assumption that the media is in that you think the country is inherently right wing with a left wing political and intellectual establishment.

On balance, it's not and Joe Public has a more nuanced appreciation than it's given credit for.
 

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Nucs are now obsolete, bio weapons are the future. Look at the situation today? All from a fish market of course !
You may have a point. But bio-weapons have one military drawback - they don't go off with a bang.
This makes them unappealing to our armed forces. Who like things that make sudden impressive bangs.

So how can the slow, insidious viral infections from Chinese fish-markets, however deadly when weaponised,, find any favour with our Army, Navy, and RAF?
 
In what way?
By promising the populous a utopia in order to get them to physically oust the existing regime. Once this is done, the utopia isn't quite what they were promised.

Promise - equal distribution of all wealth and a universally equal income.

Reality - all wealth is seized by the state and never redistributed. The economy utterly fails and the people are brutally forced to work for virtually nothing once the state has run out of other people's money to spend.

Remember, BLM is noting to do with racism - it's the latest wing of the XLW movement that wants to instill socialism across the world. Sound familiar?


What We Believe - Black Lives Matter

"‘dismantle cisgender privilege’ and ‘disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another’"

World communism - Wikipedia

"The long-term goal of world communism is a worldwide communist society that is stateless (lacking any state), which may be achieved through an intermediate-term goal of either a voluntary association of sovereign states (a global alliance)"
 
Nucs are now obsolete, bio weapons are the future. Look at the situation today? All from a fish market of course !
Absolutely disagree. Nuclear weapons, particularly CASD gives the nation the ability to completely obliterate a number of cities in an unstoppable way, even if that nation is destroyed. It is the ultimate deterrent. It is not about body count, it is about deterrence.

Bio weapons could in theory kill a large number of people, but isn't able to be directed, take a long time to spread and can be counteracted using existing ways and means. Just look at how COVID has petered out into a bit of a damp squib.

I know which one I would want my strategic deterrent to be based on...
 

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