How do Army Nurse Ranks equate to NHS bands?

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  1. Just for my interest, as I can't seem to get a clear picture on this, how does the rank structure equate to our NHS counterparts? I realise that it won't be an exact fit given rank equates to the soldiering aspect of our jobs aswell but for instance where would one consider an army nurse to be a charge nurse, or ward manager etc?
  2. It's almost impossible to equate ranks to NHS bands. Due to the SNCO ranks & junior officer ranks having a lot of overlap in role.

    Maybe a better question would be at what rank did you leave the services at & what band in the NHS did you get.

    You may be surprised, I work with an ex Cpl who achieved Band 8B, she hates the job but cant afford to give the money up
  3. Simple answer - it don't
  4. Simple answer - it don't
  5. yep - agree with both my learned colleagues on this

    you can be a qualified nurse with over 10 years experience in the military

    but if you have no 'Trust' experience you won't get far.

    I was fortunate enough to leave the army as a capt, and get a band 8a
  6. Just ask who's in charge, if it's a Cpl or a Capt then that's your awnser. As said above military rank holds no NHS equal especially as there may be a military senior ranking HCA under the direction of a Cpl nurse.

    With the introduction of cadet nurses we now have 2Lt's with no nursing experiance and no military experiance apart from 4 weeks 'vickers and tarts' at Sandhurst now comming onto te wards.

    I still find it hard to understand the new banding. The old E grade is a band 6?
  7. no E is upper band 5
  8. in reference to the question about E grades, a lot depends on the accuracy of the job description that was submitted for matching and the willingness of the trust to accept that that AFC is not something that could just be used to slot whitley grades straight across, and in some cases it would mean that you ended up with both E and F grades in Band6 but with different focus to their role on the shop floor.
  9. It is a bit more organised on tour where, generally speaking, a Capt (sometimes a Maj) will be OIC of a ward or department and there will be a pyramid under them. Matron (or SNO) will generally be a Maj (sometimes Capt).

    All a bit different when we get back to the UK. I ran my own department in Iraq but back in the MDHU I am just another staff nurse who does less than my 37.5 hours per week clinical but have MS and other duties outside my clinical area..

    The TA, however, are a different matter. You will find all sorts of wierd and wonderful ranks doing different jobs on tour. Seems to work for them though.

    I will note here that, despite being able to run a department on tour, I doubt the NHS would touch me for anything above a senior staff nurse post until I have more experience of the NHS management. Personally, I won't be goinig above that level when I retire. The hassle seems to be far too great for the money they offer.
  10. Thanks for the replies.
    It was the ability to move into the NHS after my service that I was interested in. I imagine any difficulties with regard to NHS experience are compounded by the fact that I am mental health and will therefore have little contact with NHS making a move to anything other than staff nurse unlikely. That said I intend to do my full 22 (and more if they'll keep me) and hopefully either be a warrant officer or have a commission by then so be used to dealing with a fair level of responsibility. A downwards move at that point may be appealing by then, who knows, so i guess I'll be looking to top up my pension rather than creating a new career at that stage. Its all a long way off for me yet, clearly, but thanks for the heads up.
    Mr Nurse
  11. Until you can get a handle on managing budgets, understand targets (18 and 26 week breaches), waiting list initiatives etc - then the NHS will happily say that you don't have the experience, but we'll take you on at the bottom of the band payscale

    Im fortunate to work in a specialist, and very technical area - I had key knowledge that wanted, but my shortfalls (budget management) they overlooked.

    I went from managing a 28 bedded ward with 20 staff - no control over budgets or requisitioning equipment or services; to overseeing over 75 staff over three clinical areas and a budget of just under £4 million pa.
  12. I think I'll be happy being a bum wipeing staff nurse safe in the knowledge that my pension bumps up my pay nicely. All credit to those who are in the F,G & H posts because it looks damn complicated. I see many of my senior NHS colleagues rapidly losing hair/going grey trying to cope with the red tape while being expected to produce more with less. I certainly don't have the skill set to deal with that.
  14. I left in 2005 after 22 yrs & was apprehensive to say the least before my move into the NHS, would I get work, would my mortgage be paid etc. Before I had completed my gardening leave I was already working in charge of my own department with more budget, staff & more pay than I had while in the services. Plus with my pension coming in regular as clock work I manage two overseas holidays a year, something which I couldn’t plan for while in the services let alone afford.

    From my point of view I left at the right time & haven’t looked back. The only downside is loosing touch with service friends.
  15. To get a more accurate idea, compare your job to the KSF outline for the NHS posts, i think its downloadable

    Good still baffles the feck out of me!!