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How did you get promoted?

Thanks super. I feared it might be like that. Doesn't it make Officers inhibited from giving orders, in case their orders might be proved, later, to be not right. Your remark about Officers being "shadowed", as you put it, by a L/cpl with training in video editing, makes it sound even worse.
Officers now undergo extreme public relations coaching and are well versed in how to act when under camera. If anything- it provides a safety net for them.

There was a case about 3 years ago where one of the escort Lance Corporals got the SD cards mixed up. When presented for analysis -the officer found himself under suspicion of walting as a Samsung S7 (on EE) for a few weeks. He had some explaining to do about the holiday snaps that were alse time-stamped at a time when the officer was supposed to be carrying out troop appraisals.
 
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Charles1948

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Further to my last- and I'm not 100% and happy to be corrected but -
I think they do it slightly different in the RAF. All RAF officers, whilst not engaged in flying duties / hotel reviewing, are accompannied by av troup of airmen trained in the mystic arts of amateur dramatics. Should the actions or behavior of the officer be brought into question at any point, the airmen are thus able to give a pretty accurate re-enactment of proceedings through the medium of dance.
Well, obviously you're taking the mickey, super, but given another 10 years of cultural development, your words may turn out to have been eerily prophetic!
 

Charles1948

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Officers now undergo extreme public relations coaching and are well versed in how to act when under camera. If anything- it provides a safety net for them.
I see the modern Army trains its officers in a modern way. How to act under camera. No outdated stuff about actually leading their men to fight the enemy. As a civilian, I must say that's not entirely reassuring.
 
I got mine by shamelessly begging and pleading for it.

You wouldn't the 1st and you certainly wont be the last :)

I also witnessed people being shamelessly promoted to LCpl in an attempt to get them to retract their signing off papers.

I also witnessed a very competent and capable individual being promoted to LCpl twice, and immediately revert to back to Pte on both occasions - Was very happy being a Pte and did not want the added responsibility.

Granted, this was in the days when the pay difference between a Grade 1 Pte and LCpl was about £3 a day - Minus additional tax & NI and a monthly Mess Bill.
 
Observations about L/Cpl cadres back in the Fatherland; they seemed sketchy and piecemeal. The entry/application system seemed dependent on the CO's whim: BFT's under 9:30, B1 trade, 3 years service, the lecture was on how to wash a woolly pully, beastings and pointless parades, kit inspections on the square.....little in the way of technical acumen or educational testing? No wonder some of the switched-on types were reluctant to attempt the JNCO cadres. Saying was: " hardest stripe to earn, easiest to lose!"

I was envious of those who automatically were promoted on leaving boy service: RAOC Ammo Techs, for example got full-screw on qualification. RMP as well?
Selection was at platoon level for the capable, good soldier, who showed leadership qualities.

The drill, kit inspections, etc were obvious requirements, ie, the setting of examples. I did mine in 2CG on an 18 month posting to NI where deliberate embuggerance and lack of sleep to test the character were done on live patrols , O.Ps, and ambushes. The course was run by a major in the Gurkhas who wanted his GSM enough to forgo a long leave from HK.
Passed, by occupied the bottom quarter of the list.
 
CO's Driver and the CO's Orderly automatically qualified for promotion. When I did my section commanders the COs driver of a Welsh regiment quickly gained a nickname that was a play on his unusual surname. The number of late meals we missed because L/Cpl Whatsmylocation got lost on the simplest solo navigation exercises and we had to scour the countryside for him.
 
Rank is wa*k!
Stripes are shite!
Join the TLF!

Belfast ‘74. Someone painted TLF in bright pink paint on the side of the OCs Land Rover overnight and it wasn’t noticed before he went out on mobile the next day.

There was a bit of a purge to say the least when he got back in.
 
Belfast ‘74. Someone painted TLF in bright pink paint on the side of the OCs Land Rover overnight and it wasn’t noticed before he went out on mobile the next day.

There was a bit of a purge to say the least when he got back in.
That was clever of you ;)
 

AlienFTM

MIA
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I also witnessed a very competent and capable individual being promoted to LCpl twice, and immediately revert to back to Pte on both occasions - Was very happy being a Pte and did not want the added responsibility.
The cadre course I referred to at the start of my post? I was only on it because Jackie Broon RIP steadfastly refused to be promoted, and I was stuck on it to fill his space.
 
Several R SIGNALS, INT CORPS and REME trades too.

The key is “B1 trade”. The trade being “B” pay spine. You needed to be on a T pay spine for the automatic promotion. That said, a flyer on a B trade could have been looking at NCO cadre a year or two after arriving in unit. The shiny LCpl tech would only be fresh out of training after that first year, it took so long, whereas a B trade could be done and dusted in 3 months.

In my time, A and B trades did not need to be class 1 for LCpl, it was common to see upgraders with a tape up at 8 Sigs (trade trg regt).

It all started at the ACIO, whatever trade you chose, your career was pretty much defined there and then, for better or for worse. At least for Corps troops. I imagine infantry, tanks and maybe arty, everyone’s basically on a level field and the best should promote. Different in the technical corps, where there’s a wide range of trades and abilities.

There were some real ********* with tapes on their arm in my time, but that was on both sides of the fence.

REME Techs usually got the first tape as substantive Band 3, Class 2 on finishing up trade training then posted out and rostered onto a cadre course within a year and again would mostly get a second (substantive) pretty quickly (gap between first and second was a year assuming you impressed enough which mostly meant just turning up on time, doing your job and not picking up too many or too serious 252s).

It was rare to see anyone on upgraders (Class 1) who did not have two stripes on a course, I never saw a single one although others have reported they did.

The cadre course itself depended on luck, for mine it was at parent unit, the Staffy running it was in his last few months so in cruise mode. The course commander was hardly seen as he was still busy doing his day job, he was our platoon commander as it happens.

The time of year was a very nice and dry Autumn, so we never had hot or cold weather or rain to bother us.

Parent unit attendees simply stayed in their normal room or for pads went home at night, did a bit of kit work and went out for few beers as normal. There were no additional room inspections of the like and so frankly the whole thing was rather enjoyable. I was almost sorry to go back to my day job.

We did have a 3RRF Cpl attached as DS and he was never happy with this rather relaxed state of affairs. S/Sgt kept him on a short lead and tight muzzle though.
 
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When you mention camera and video recorders, it leads me to wonder, as a civilian, this:

Do all army officers these days, have to be equipped with recorders when they are carrying out their duties?

It would be pointless, Officers can't even hold a map the right way up never mind operating technically demanding and complex electronic equipment, a digital camera falling into that category for Officers.
 
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Further to my last- and I'm not 100% and happy to be corrected but -
I think they do it slightly different in the RAF. All RAF officers, whilst not engaged in flying duties / hotel reviewing, are accompannied by av troup of airmen trained in the mystic arts of amateur dramatics. Should the actions or behavior of the officer be brought into question at any point, the airmen are thus able to give a pretty accurate re-enactment of proceedings through the medium of dance.

I thought amateur dramatics was a highly sought after trade for the RAF?
 
The cadre course I referred to at the start of my post? I was only on it because Jackie Broon RIP steadfastly refused to be promoted, and I was stuck on it to fill his space.

No mate. The Individual I was referring to was Infantry, who subsequently transferred to AG Corps and blasted through the ranks to WO2.

We did have a 3RRF Cpl attached as DS and he was never happy with this rather relaxed state of affairs. S/Sgt kept him on a short lead and firm muzzle though.

To be fair to the RRF DS, the name might be the same ( JNCO's Cadre ) but there appears to be a world of difference in the content, between Corps and Infantry JNCO's Cadres.
 
You wouldn't the 1st and you certainly wont be the last :)

I also witnessed people being shamelessly promoted to LCpl in an attempt to get them to retract their signing off papers.

I also witnessed a very competent and capable individual being promoted to LCpl twice, and immediately revert to back to Pte on both occasions - Was very happy being a Pte and did not want the added responsibility.

Granted, this was in the days when the pay difference between a Grade 1 Pte and LCpl was about £3 a day - Minus additional tax & NI and a monthly Mess Bill.
My bold. Memory jog:- A few days before i was due to fly back to the UK for my resettlement course at Aldershot I made a courtesy call on my old OC, whose driver i was for over a year, he pushed some paper work across his desk and said" Sign these and you will be promoted to full corporal tomorrow" I declined, it was a nice offer, but as my family were now all in the UK, and our goods and chattels were in a container somewhere at sea, it wasn't an option.
 

morsk

LE
Hardest to get, easiest to lose.

Yup.

Not my fault the twat who started being a knob in an ambush position on Sennybridge had to have a size 9 to the swede.

What I didn't realise was the twat was wearing tropical combats underneath a windproof and had no warm kit on. He was Hypothermic and I didn't recognise the symptoms, he got taken off the training area, I got my tape taken off me. However, he was invited to leave the unit as he was a ******* bellend. I got my tape back the week after he buggered off.
So not only did you not perform as a section 2ic by not checking the blokes equipment pre patrol you assaulted a member of your section and then wonder why you were removed from post.........
 

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