How did this country get so fukced up?

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To quote Lord Flasheart in a different thread-
"How did this country get so fukced up?"
Any views..and strategies/ideas to turn this once great nation around?
 
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olive_green said:
To quote Lord Flasheart in a different thread-
"How did this country get so fukced up?"
Any views..and strategies/ideas to turn this once great nation around?
Bite the hand that feeds you. :lol:
 
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Political Correctness!
 
#4
One word answer, - starts with "B", ends with "Liar"!

(This may not be 100% accurate, but I hate the tw@, so I'm bothered a stack) :evil:
 

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Most of the cr*p legislation that led to the subjugation of this once great nation to political correctness, etc came from putting on the yoke of servitude to Brussels...

Hang Heath as a traitor, repeal EU laws and let's get back to reality.
 
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:twisted: It started with successive governments having imperial delusions while being unwilling to pay for the assets to preserve and underpin them. Thatcher started it by seeing the forces as an election winner in re-taking the Falklands - something we probably couldn't do now - and then presided over cutbacks. Sound familiar?

Now we've got the current bunch of muppets and ex-CND tree-huggers trying to hang on to an outrageously expensive Trident strategic nuclear fleet which has outlived its usefulness, but costs upwards of 2 billion a year to maintain. The bottom line is that it guarantees Bliar and Co a seat at the top table internationally and the kudos that goes with it. Fcuking hypocrites.

The problem is, while the MoD spends 8% of the budget on nuclear missiles and their launch platforms at a time when there are no discernible targets to aim at, the guys in Iraq and elsewhere don't have enough body-armour to save their lives. The politicos don't care. The forces are simply a means to an end.

Watch the real butchery begin if the Iron Chancellor ever makes it to No 10. Odin forbid!
 
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Olive Green, I found your political motivations interesting, please expand on "How did this country get so fukced up?" - do you mean Economically? Politically? Your post is a bit silly really.

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Now we've got the current bunch of muppets and ex-CND tree-huggers trying to hang on to an outrageously expensive Trident strategic nuclear fleet
What are you on about? Why CND or ex-CND members want to retain the trident subs??
 
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manchestercop said:
Olive Green, I found your political motivations interesting, please expand on "How did this country get so fukced up?" - do you mean Economically? Politically?
The question has no hidden agenda and was Lord Flasheart's on another thread. Answer it- if you have any response to it- as you see fit; economically, politically, spiritually, militarily, socially...whatever.....or just ignore it.
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Your post is a bit silly really.
Silly posts on arrse- whatever next?! :wink:
 
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Fcuked up? Not for me it isn't. I'd rather live here than anywhere else I've been.
 
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Fcuked up? Not for me it isn't. I'd rather live here than anywhere else I've been.
Good point. A fair bit of whinging self-pity on this thread, I feel. As stated, spend a few weeks in places like Saudi, Somalia, etc to see what a country that is really going to the dogs looks like.
 
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Manchestercop should read some of phoney tonys (I have spelt his name in lower case to preserve his anonimity) history. He was once a member of CND and said that he wanted to scrap, unilaterally, our nuclear deterrent. I don't know whether or not he wanted to hug trees, but given his performance generally, the cheap rogue would agree with Herods massacre of the first born if he thought there was a vote in it.

I think I live in the best country in the world, but I have a feeling that there is something wrong. We live by the letter of the law, when we used to live by the spirit. We have Policemen who dress in some sort of fancy combat kit (though apparently they spend most of their time in the station filling forms so some lawyer can't get his scrote of a client off on a technicality) when we used to have really rather dependable chaps walking the street. We have an education system built on some vague idea of social engineering, yet produces people who go on to do a degree who have to be taught basic english usage, and a health service that, well! speak to any doctor or nurse.

We have a Govt that when first elected said it would do the unthinkable and it has. Probably the only election pledge that it kept. No one thought that it would reinforce a failing health service, a failed education system and leave a badly flawed pension system alone. Anything that the Govt/Civil Service touches it breaks, our administration is institutionally inept and the system is reinforcing its ineptness.

Oh and in case anyone thinks this is a party political broadcast - it isn't the Tories/Lib Dems/Greens/New Labour/Old Stalinists are all as bad as each other. I don't know the answer except that perhaps a few more people sacked without big payoffs and a lot less places at University for law degrees would help.
 
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Blair's a self serving scumbag but that's pretty much the raison d'etre of every single politician. For elected representives of their constituents they don't half guzzle the champagne!

The problem is that, no matter for whom you vote, the government always gets in!

Sad but true.

:cry:

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The ultimate responsibility lies at the feet of the British public, not with Europe, not with PC, not with "lefties", not With Tony Bliar.

With YOU and with ME.

When Brits learn to make effective protests (having a street party with your mates is not an effective protest, even if there are a million of you) and accept that protesting will hurt them. Then perhaps governments of whatever colour will start to take notice of what they actually want, rather than offering them a choice between 3 or 4 different brands of things that they don't.

Until then any complaint is just a rant in the pub or a post on a messageboard, a transitory, valueless, cry in the dark.

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#15
the politics may be crap , but the people who live in this country have got to shoulder the blame for the way things are going to, i could bitch on about the fabric of society being degraded etc etc. but the long and short of it is we are becoming a nation of scumbags , pure and simple , how many times have you been on holiday and physically cringed at other brits , i mean if it wasn't for jerry , WE would be the most hated country in europe.
have a look around your own town tonight if you're in the u.k. it's like someone let the animals out of the zoo , fat birds in clothes 3 sizes to small drinking bacardi breezers , and gangs of w*nkers in short sleeved shirts mouthing off at everything that moves till they go home , make ugly kids and start the whole depressing cycle again , this country didn't get f*cked up. we f*cked it up .pure and simple my friends. :evil: :evil: :(
 
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shortfuse said:
it's like someone let the animals out of the zoo , fat birds in clothes 3 sizes to small drinking bacardi breezers , and gangs of w*nkers in short sleeved shirts mouthing off at everything that moves till they go home , make ugly kids and start the whole depressing cycle again
An uncannily accurate description of the average New Labour voter.

The Dear Leader and his gang get where they are because fukcwits like this, beardy weirdy academics and social workers, and those asians not voting for the Kurdistan Freedom Alliance vote for them, time and time again. Lets face it, you'd have to be seriously intellectually handicapped, an idealistic hippy or be unable to speak English not to be able to see through New Labour's lies.
 
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As an outsider here is how I see the present state of decline as having been arrived at:

- the rise of Germany and the United States as industrial and military powers in the late 19th century (this would become important later on)

- the blow to Britain's prestige resulting from the 2nd Boer War of 1899-1902, which led many to question the morality of the Empire

- the bloodletting of the Great War which wiped out a generation and led many Britons to see the Empire as being responsible for dragging Britain into a series of alliances and consequently the Great War itself

- the commitments that immediately followed the end of the Great War - Ireland, Russia, India, the Middle East... meant that Britain could not get back on a peactime footing as soon as would have been preferable

- the Wall Street Crash of 1929

- the growth of pacificsm and anti-militarism after 1919 which would later manifest itself as appeasement

- the relative success of the General Strike of 1926, which demonstrated the potential power of the unions and Labour

- the failure to fully realise the threat posed by Hitler, Mussolini and Co. and the marginalisation of those such as Churchill until it was too late

- the subversion of people such as the 'Cambridge Spies' by Communism. This represented how those who would have previously constituted a leadership elite in Britain were now 'lost' to the country. (The later adoption of 'trendy' causes by members of Britain's intellectual class from the 1960s onward was a further manifestation of this)

- the running-down of the Armed Forces and then an inadequate rearmament programme in the mid-1930s when it was already too late; this led to Britain being unprepared for war

- the absence of a viable imperial defence strategy in the interwar period (the 'no major war for ten years' strategy as highlighted in 'Singapore: The Pregnable Fortress')

- the early losses in 1939-42 (Dunkirk, Greece/Crete, North Africa, Far East) led to a loss of prestige and respect in the eyes of many of Britain's imperial subjects

- the Second World War bankrupted Britain which meant that the retention of the Empire was simply untenable

- the successive Labour Governments after 1945 saw the establishment of the Welfare State which has led to the dependency culture of today - the state working for people as opposed to people working for the state. The middle and upper classes were targeted with heavy taxes which led to the destruction of the class system as it had existed prior to 1939; faults aplenty, but this system worked

- although imperial withdrawal was carried-out successfully, it took about two decades. Calamaties such as Suez demonstrated to Britons and the wider world that Britain was no longer able to compete as a major world power

- the social revolution of the 1960s ushered in the end of much that had made Britan 'Great' in the eyes of many. The '68 generation had little time for what went before and started gravitating towards anti-Western causes. Many of today's politicians grew-up during this period

- the 1970s - income tax of up to 90% and the country being run by the unions instead of the government.

- the widespread belief among ordinary Britons that the country was a shadow of it's former self. When a people lose faith in their own country this is a sure sign of decline

- the Thatcher Years: a temporary revival but a false dawn as the Tories came apart at the seams over Europe

- the attitude towards Britain in the EU is governed by a dislike of the close relationship between the UK and USA, something incompatible with the EU. The French never forgave Britain for not surrendering as they did in 1940 and this has dominated their thinking since

- the overwhelming victory of Labour in 1997 had been made inevitable with the inept nature of Tory government after Thatcher

- the politics of New Labour spin and government by focus groups appears to work, only now the electorate are starting to realise that ideology is no substitute for ideas

- the rise of political correctness during the 1990s and the belief that it is a 'good thing' that politicians and national institutions should pander to

- the collapse or destruction of traditionally British institutions such as the Church of England and the House of Lords are naively believed to be symbolic or irrelevant when in fact they are crucially important

- the scrutiny and ridicule to which the Royal Family has been subjected. Whatever one may think of it, the Monarchy has been the one constant in British life as long as there has been a Britain. It has an important constitutional role and is apolitical. A nation without respect for it's own institutions has no respect for itself.

- the replacement of the much admired image of the English gentleman that once sprang automatically to many peoples' minds with that of the larger lout (the 'Ibiza Uncovered' factor if you like) - the victory of yob culture

To finish, there is little point in moaning about 'the state of Britain' as no one factor can be singled out as the cause of this - blaming the current administration is missing the wider picture. Looking around the world today, Britsh people should be thankful for where they live as they could be far worse off. Perhaps things look bad because the decline was relatively sudden and from a great height of achievement.
 
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What's wrong with this country?
Start with this:- Virtually every Act of Parliament that does not comply with the Bill of Rights 1669 is, by definition, void and therefore illegal.
Start counting and call me back next year; it'll take you that long to work out how many Acts should be repealed. Then, of course, we'd have to start all over again to undo the damage!
 
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Shortfuse wrote
it's like someone let the animals out of the zoo , fat birds in clothes 3 sizes to small drinking bacardi breezers , and gangs of w*nkers in short sleeved shirts mouthing off at everything that moves till they go home , make ugly kids and start the whole depressing cycle again
ViroBono wrote
The Dear Leader and his gang get where they are because fukcwits like this, beardy weirdy academics and social workers, and those asians not voting for the Kurdistan Freedom Alliance vote for them, time and time again.
And the beardy weirdies and 'can’t call a ned a ned airheads' don’t have to live in the same areas or otherwise associate with the scum they rely on to support them.

The bubble may burst in the next couple of generations. Freeloading immigrants, pikeys, rat boys and girls will populate the country to the extent that it becomes uninhabitable for the remainder (probably not a majority). Rat boys and pikeys stealing everything that is not bolted down. Hardly any coppers left because no-one wants to do the job anymore. The few that are left are suspended for calling someone a black rat boy pikey baastard. Likewise teachers. Who would want to teach rat boys and girls who don't want to learn, only breed? There will be very few doctors, scientists, engineers and other professionals left in the country. Nearly everyone with a brain will leave for the continent, Oz, Canada etc. Massive taxes on those who are earning, state pension slashed, Armed Forces pension withdrawn (no reserved rights for those in receipt of it) to pay for the litters of the untermenschen and those just off the back of a lorry. And to pay the salaries, pensions and allowances of our 'leaders' and their entourage. Natch!

Untermensh :?: :!: 8O See how dangerous things are, or may become?
 

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