How can our chubby, drug-addled and right-on Army protect us from our enemies?

.......good job we never abandoned any kit in Aden, Korea, The Falklands, Malaya etc etc....

Don't dump on the modern boys and girls because you're over 40, the world isn't going to hell in a handcart, the sky's not about to fall-in



“Young people need models, not critics.” – John Wooden
“Age is foolish and forgetful when it underestimates youth.” – J. K. Rowling
I´m not over 40 and J.K Rowling is the devil incarnate.
 
I'm not so sure of that. In the flower of my military career (Aldershot, early 70s), the singlies in the block tended to gather together in social group activity, while the pads, as they had other priorities and the washing up to do, were usually excluded. Unit cohesion, whether anyone likes it or not, suffers. The most cohesive groups I ever met were living together and under fairly severe social restrictions (NI roulement bods). I am reliably informed by a serving soldier that that sort of scenario is wholly of the past; the unit bar is a dead duck, mealtimes are dismally under-represented and at weekends the bomb-burst to anywhere within travel-warrant range is complete. Separate small groups of the various Identitarian classes exist, and don't mingle too much. Not good, and although I don't agree with @stacker1 on a great deal, in this he is right; it is a serious leadership issue.

Had to drive across Europe back to the UK about two months ago.

Borrowed the wife’s IPad as she has loads of Audio books , so plenty to listen to as driving across France is very boring, after one or two crap ones started with one called .. “ The Butterfly Effect”.

Had no idea what it was about but perked up when the start mentioned Porn.

Superb reporting about how the internet and streaming porn has changed the world.

One man who started it is a billionaire.

Male porn stars , in a room with a female porn star , who is up for anything ? Need to watch porn? To get a hard on? No more fluffers.

One eye opener was the American Navy has a serious problem with wanking.

Single and married men , stop work at 17:00. Go back to their rooms/ bunks/ home and seem to masturbate for 6 to 8 hours.

Next day , fuckked:). And a danger to the Navy.

Wonder if SLAM has the same problem?
 
I would also question the lack of investment unit gyms. The bars on my camp are empty as are the pubs in town.The gym however is rammed until 2030 most night.
You don't need a gym to keep the pounds off. It's a nice to have, but running outdoors is something we have always done.
 

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The social thing, be it SLAM or internet has nothing to do with chubby cnuts. Other armies have had single rooms and internet connection long before the British army tried to play catch up.
Weak officers are the main cause of fattyitis because they dont do **** all about it.
I was working in Army Estates during SLAM....the issue of ' Unit cohesion' was a constant theme of discussion and angst.

The compromise was to keep trainees in shared accom but to entitle 'trained soldiers' to Type Z = one man, one room own shower and toilet.
Which, by the way, was pretty much the RAF norm at the time.

The idea was that the block 'hub' was where people would congregate out of hours, much like the mess square described by Supermatelot above.

I've lived on a messdeck and in an 8 man room - there's not that much difference, apart from the fact that matelots have generally less space. Oh, and the 8 man room doesn't go up and down and side to side :)

First RN ship I served in had 12 JRs in the Tech rates forward mess and 14 in the Seamans mess - served by one bathrooms with 4 traps....cosy. It was also made of wood....

Navy shore accom then (HMS Excellent on Whale Island, HMS Drake in Guz, HMS Mercury) was typically 20 man rooms, with a locker each.

The first Army accom I stayed in was in Brompton Bks Chatham....it was a shit-hole then and nothing much has changed.

I don't think you can lay the 'blame' (?) - for the current state of the British Army on the type of accom on offer.
 
Completely agree, but as with most things army, no-one bothered to sit down and suss out what might happen with SLAM nor implement anything to prevent the isolationist existence it created.

For example, internet. Should it be available to all? Yes, but should a Tpr be allowed to get a line to his room as you would with your own home?

No.

Camp wide, restricted WiFi would suffice for email, IM, Social Media, etc.

Take that old, outdated and empty Mess, refurb a section of it for 'Unit Hub', run by the PMC, not privately, and get your consoles, cinema room, facilities, etc so the lads have somewhere modern and relevant to congregate of an evening.

But nah.

Edit: Actually, I'd like to know what's going on in the hub at Pirbright now.

When I joined, mobile phones were common but Facebook etc, didn't exist. Mobile internet wasn't really a thing. The hub was always packed with lads wanting a machine to chat to friends over MSN Messenger, ICQ, etc. Pool tables always full, table pennis queued out, etc

Are those places ghost towns now folk have smart phones with huge data packages now?
Do they still play that now

Archie
 
I've noticed the contrast between tv adverts for the Army compared to the Royal Marines.
The RM seem to have a very different mindset when it comes to attracting recruits, at least on tv
 
I was working in Army Estates during SLAM....the issue of ' Unit cohesion' was a constant theme of discussion and angst.

The compromise was to keep trainees in shared accom but to entitle 'trained soldiers' to Type Z = one man, one room own shower and toilet.
Which, by the way, was pretty much the RAF norm at the time.

The idea was that the block 'hub' was where people would congregate out of hours, much like the mess square described by Supermatelot above.

I've lived on a messdeck and in an 8 man room - there's not that much difference, apart from the fact that matelots have generally less space. Oh, and the 8 man room doesn't go up and down and side to side :)

First RN ship I served in had 12 JRs in the Tech rates forward mess and 14 in the Seamans mess - served by one bathrooms with 4 traps....cosy. It was also made of wood....

Navy shore accom then (HMS Excellent on Whale Island, HMS Drake in Guz, HMS Mercury) was typically 20 man rooms, with a locker each.

The first Army accom I stayed in was in Brompton Bks Chatham....it was a shit-hole then and nothing much has changed.

I don't think you can lay the 'blame' (?) - for the current state of the British Army on the type of accom on offer.
Last time I was at excellent was in 99-2000 for leadership course. Old WW2 accom I think. Twenty man dorms. No time to socialise though so wasn't really an issue. On completion of leadership course I got drafted to Nelson for an NBCD24 continuation course (gasmask check, damage control drills etc for you pongoes). I was to be accommodated on HMS Bristol - which turned out to be overun with sea cadets. I immediately "booked out" and sought accom at Nelson...Transit mess Suamaris block. As I arrived I was mindful of a loud crashing sound to my side...as a TV had been launched through one of the windows. I joined a transit mess in an adjoining cabin to a dorm occupied by some submariner types who had misbehaved in some way (had to stand rounds in their Nos 1s etc). I was advised to turn my mattress over as, due to the window in my cabin not closing fully - was covered in pigeon shit.

Happy times...
 
Phew! For a moment there I thought you'd mistaken a 'comment' piece for news reportage. Can't be so.

Mind you, I believe that more people log onto their site in search of a daily fix than any other 'news' organisation's.
A comment piece that relates to and quotes as fact the made up sh*t printed as news in the rag in the first place.

And it goes to show how many utter f*ckwitts there are knocking around ^~
 
serious question gents, What does your RSMs do now?
is it not part and parcel of their job to keep an eye on the troops welfare ,discipline and health and general state of the regiment? or do they now spend their time preening for when they get LE?
 
serious question gents, What does your RSMs do now?
is it not part and parcel of their job to keep an eye on the troops welfare ,discipline and health and general state of the regiment? or do they now spend their time preening for when they get LE?
Good RSMs do what good RSMs have always done, likewise, bad RSMs do what bad RSMs have always done.

However, we now have several tiers of pointless WO1 Sgt Maj, each with an increasingly bigger badge and bigger boss to carry bags for, culminating in the Army Sgt Maj.

The fact that these hoods are all LE officers playing at being Warrant Officer doesn’t improve the situation either :)
 
serious question gents, What does your RSMs do now?
is it not part and parcel of their job to keep an eye on the troops welfare ,discipline and health and general state of the regiment? or do they now spend their time preening for when they get LE?
The RSM before my current one, was a biff. Now he's a LE officer.
 
Good RSMs do what good RSMs have always done, likewise, bad RSMs do what bad RSMs have always done.

However, we now have several tiers of pointless WO1 Sgt Maj, each with an increasingly bigger badge and bigger boss to carry bags for, culminating in the Army Sgt Maj.

The fact that these hoods are all LE officers playing at being Warrant Officer doesn’t improve the situation either :)
You mean they aren't "the voice of the soldier"?
 
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