Housing on leaving the Forces

#2
Good petition, especially for those who pissed all thier wages away for 22 years.

Let sign and get on the ming!
 
#3
mmmmmmmmmmmmm...... tend to agree with paragorge on this one, pish it up against the wall and you only have yourself to blame. Notwithstanding the cost of housing nowadays but sacrafices have to be made if you want a roof over your head - priorities
 
#4
The pertition is badly written. What the intention of these pertition to do i would imagine is to allow ex army to present them selves as homeless in the area where they were based.

Prsently in scotland army are given priority homless status and coucil house prioriy on top of that a (instant discount not seen it in writing) but only in an area where they can draw a local conection. A civy can claim a local conection to an area where he has worked in army can not. A civi is not prority homeless unless have kids is over 60s medical conditon ethnic minority feared of racism a civi does not get an instant discount.

I can see this local area conection being a problem for people because they have lived in that area for a while. I would think it only right that army are give the same criteria as anyone else. The instant discount and proirty scraped and local contection criteria applied equally.
 
#5
fredsmith said:
The pertition is badly written. What the intention of these pertition to do i would imagine is to allow ex army to present them selves as homeless in the area where they were based.

Prsently in scotland army are given priority homless status and coucil house prioriy on top of that a (instant discount not seen it in writing) but only in an area where they can draw a local conection. A civy can claim a local conection to an area where he has worked in army can not. A civi is not prority homeless unless have kids is over 60s medical conditon ethnic minority feared of racism a civi does not get an instant discount.

I can see this local area conection being a problem for people because they have lived in that area for a while. I would think it only right that army are give the same criteria as anyone else. The instant discount and proirty scraped and local contection criteria applied equally.
Surely a piss take? :roll:
 
#6
This is a copy of the artcile that was in Pathfinder.

E-PETITION TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF HOMELESS SERVICE LEAVERS

AN E-PETITION has been submitted by Carole McEntee-Taylor for service leavers to be afforded automatic entitlement to temporary accommodation whilst their housing needs are assessed by the local authority when they leave the Forces. Currently if a service leaver has nowhere to live when they leave the forces they must demonstrate to their local authority that they are vulnerable; this entitles them to be classed as homeless and allows them to access temporary accommodation.

E- petitions were launched in November 2006 and are an online way of bringing public concerns to the attention of the Government.

Homelessness is a very real situation for many service leavers who actually make up a noticeable proportion of the UKs homeless. Carole McEntee-Taylor is also petitioning for the onus to be on the local authority not the service leaver to prove that they are vulnerable. You can pledge your support if you agree with the petition by logging on to http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/houseourtroops/ where you can register your vote on line.

Currently the petition has 32 signatures.

If the petition is successful the automatic right would assist many service leavers in the transition into civilian life. The problem that the government might have is where to place all of the potential service leavers who take up the temporary accommodation. The deadline to sign up to the petition is 2nd April 2008 and we will keep you updated with the Government’s response.
 
#8
Letterwritingman said:
fredsmith said:
The pertition is badly written. What the intention of these pertition to do i would imagine is to allow ex army to present them selves as homeless in the area where they were based.

Prsently in scotland army are given priority homless status and coucil house prioriy on top of that a (instant discount not seen it in writing) but only in an area where they can draw a local conection. A civy can claim a local conection to an area where he has worked in army can not. A civi is not prority homeless unless have kids is over 60s medical conditon ethnic minority feared of racism a civi does not get an instant discount.

I can see this local area conection being a problem for people because they have lived in that area for a while. I would think it only right that army are give the same criteria as anyone else. The instant discount and proirty scraped and local contection criteria applied equally.
Surely a urine take? :roll:
I'm confused by priority homless and the sentence about having ethnic minority kids over 60 with medical conditions..... :roll:
 
#10
chimp503 said:
mmmmmmmmmmmmm...... tend to agree with paragorge on this one, pish it up against the wall and you only have yourself to blame. Notwithstanding the cost of housing nowadays but sacrafices have to be made if you want a roof over your head - priorities
I Agree,why do the Services think they should be entitled to preferential treatment for council housing? Do what all sensible people do,Save,Beg, Borrow money to buy their own house,or rent until they come up on the council list,FFS!
 
#11
RoofRat said:
chimp503 said:
mmmmmmmmmmmmm...... tend to agree with paragorge on this one, pish it up against the wall and you only have yourself to blame. Notwithstanding the cost of housing nowadays but sacrafices have to be made if you want a roof over your head - priorities
I Agree,why do the Services think they should be entitled to preferential treatment for council housing? Do what all sensible people do,Save,Beg, Borrow money to buy their own house,or rent until they come up on the council list,FFS!
I don't agree that they should be given preferential treatment but they should at least be given a level playing field. The problem is that because you live away from the area in barracks and are away overseas on operations ex-serviceman are treated as if they have no relationship with an area.

When I came out the forces many years ago and enquired about housing for my local area I was told that because I was away for 11 years none of this period counted as being a local resident despite the fact I was on the electoral roll for that period and if I wanted housing I should get my girlfriend pregnant.
 
#12
Listen Pal, If you have lived the life, driven the car and spent everynight in the pub, then you deserve to live in the gutter. You get paid a bloody good wage in the army, use it to buy a house while you have the security of being able to live on the patch. There are plenty of schemes out there to assist you in putting a roof over 'your' families heads. Don't rely on the system, cause at the 22 year point, you are a nobody to the crown, we don't even get a free bus pass!
 
#13
heard_it_all_before said:
Listen Pal, If you have lived the life, driven the car and spent everynight in the pub, then you deserve to live in the gutter. You get paid a bloody good wage in the army, use it to buy a house while you have the security of being able to live on the patch. There are plenty of schemes out there to assist you in putting a roof over 'your' families heads. Don't rely on the system, cause at the 22 year point, you are a nobody to the crown, we don't even get a free bus pass!
A bit harsh. You have to remember civis only have to pay their mortgage. Soldiers need to pay their rent and a mortgage to buy a house. Chances are they won't be posted close to where they want to live when leaving the Army.

Anyway they've been supporting the system for 22 years is it a lot to expect a little something back?
 
#14
Maybe so, but you have to be cruel to be kind. Getting a house and renting it out has never been easier, no matter what country you live in or where the house is. It just takes a bit of self discipline and dedication in saving the money for the deposit. Sacrifice the new car for a banger for a couple of years, only go out on Saturday night instead of Friday and Saturday. All i mean is that if you rely on the system to sort out your civvy digs on demob, you're in for a bloody big shock.

There aren't many full screws or sgt's on less that £25k a year, you'll be lucky to get that on the outside, so make the most of it while you're serving.

Choice is your's.
 
#15
heard_it_all_before said:
Maybe so, but you have to be cruel to be kind. Getting a house and renting it out has never been easier, no matter what country you live in or where the house is. It just takes a bit of self discipline and dedication in saving the money for the deposit. Sacrifice the new car for a banger for a couple of years, only go out on Saturday night instead of Friday and Saturday. All i mean is that if you rely on the system to sort out your civvy digs on demob, you're in for a bloody big shock.

There aren't many full screws or sgt's on less that £25k a year, you'll be lucky to get that on the outside, so make the most of it while you're serving.

Choice is your's.
Speak for yourself :twisted:

I agree up to a point but if you do end up without a place of your own its not unreasonable to expect to be treated the same as every one else out there. After all they have been working on behalf of the Nation for the last 22 years!!
 
#16
No one is denying that the army of today is working flat out, but unless you’re walking round with your head in a bucket, you may have noticed that since Maggie flogged off a large chunk of the council housing stock in the 80's, it’s nearly all gone private. If you do the full 22, or even more now with VENG, your pension 75 will probably go against you when it comes to means testing for benefits and housing.

If you want to rely on the government to house you and your family, then get down the pub and pi-s it all away, then when you’ve sobered up, go and buy that new car, cause it will make you look the spud's when it's parked outside the mess.

And yes, to earn £25k plus at the age of 24/25 as a Screw of Sgt is good going.

Dream on sunshine, but be prepared for the wake up call!
 
#17
heard_it_all_before said:
Listen Pal, If you have lived the life, driven the car and spent everynight in the pub, then you deserve to live in the gutter. You get paid a bloody good wage in the army, use it to buy a house while you have the security of being able to live on the patch. There are plenty of schemes out there to assist you in putting a roof over your families heads. Don't rely on the system, cause at the 22 year point, you are nobody.
I am sure that many soldiers would not agree that they are on a good wage. Policemen and firemen are on better wages that the forces. As an HR Manager I am paying credit controllers working from 9 - 5 in an office more than many Lance Jacks earn and nearly as much as many Cpl's earn.

Yes some guys to spend all their money on beer, but with the house prices in the South East starting at well over the £150000 how is a Private earning £16544 or a Corporal earning £25,422.84 meant to buy a house. The maximum a Mortgage Company will lend in many case is 3 X annual salary.

The problems of house prices are not just restricted to the SE the chances of buying a house in many areas of the UK is next to nil. The problem is not just restricted to servicemen but many young people.

I left after just under 11 years service and within 2 years I had doubled my Army Salary. Even if I had stayed in and reached W01 I still would not be pulling in anything like my current salary.

You said there were plenty of schemes to get houses. The MOD had a scheme to sell of surplus housing to service personnel I never heard of a JNCO or Private being successful at acquiring one of the houses they all went to WO's and Officers as they had more points and could raise the necessary mortgage.

At no time has anyone suggested that servicemen should get a freebie I think point of the petition which I totally agree with, is that servicemen should get equal treatment and not have their military service count against them as it currently does when applying to go on council waiting lists.
 
#18
heard_it_all_before said:
Maybe so, but you have to be cruel to be kind. Getting a house and renting it out has never been easier, no matter what country you live in or where the house is. It just takes a bit of self discipline and dedication in saving the money for the deposit. Sacrifice the new car for a banger for a couple of years, only go out on Saturday night instead of Friday and Saturday. All i mean is that if you rely on the system to sort out your civvy digs on demob, you're in for a bloody big shock.

There aren't many full screws or sgt's on less that £25k a year, you'll be lucky to get that on the outside, so make the most of it while you're serving.

Choice is your's.
In addition if a soldier does buy a house and rent it he normally has to pay more for the mortgage as it will normally be a buy to let one.

Then there are the agents fees etc. You are obviously all right JACK but not all soldiers are. Those that live in an area should be able to establish a legal link to that area but are expressly excluded from doing so. The govt are all pious about it and MPs offer to interceed but until the law is changed nothing will happen except some political hand wringing. All soldiers need to be able to do is establish a local link in their garrison area, if they want to, or perhaps in their town of recruitment if they do not want to live in the garrison town.

Heard it you are really either a troll or just out to wind people up for some sad political reason.

You seem to know little about soldiers or you would not say such stupid things.
 
#19
heard_it_all_before said:
No one is denying that the army of today is working flat out, but unless you’re walking round with your head in a bucket, you may have noticed that since Maggie flogged off a large chunk of the council housing stock in the 80's, it’s nearly all gone private. If you do the full 22, or even more now with VENG, your pension 75 will probably go against you when it comes to means testing for benefits and housing.

If you want to rely on the government to house you and your family, then get down the pub and pi-s it all away, then when you’ve sobered up, go and buy that new car, cause it will make you look the spud's when it's parked outside the mess.

And yes, to earn £25k plus at the age of 24/25 as a Screw of Sgt is good going.

Dream on sunshine, but be prepared for the wake up call!
My point was rather that the Army doesn't pay very well by most civi standards. if you think 25k is a lot then you will be pleasantly surprised. Or probably not with your attitude.
 
#20
You seem to know little about soldiers or you would not say such stupid things.
Having been a serving soldier for over 23 years, I know a great deal about soldiers. This, and the clear direction that I have given to many a young pte, is what qualifies me to say these things. Having bought a house at 18 years of age on a pte's wage of about £8kpa, and having stuck through interest rates of 15%, you can take it or leave it as you please.

The long and short of it is this, if you haven't got drive to get yourself or your families long term future sorted, don't rely on someone else to do it for you.

And for the information of only being able to get a mortgage of 3 times your salary, that bloke needs to take his head out of the bucket that's it's buried in!
 

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