Hoon to be quizzed over Sgt Roberts

#3
Yep - here it is from Sky News.

Meiktila - for my money, having been very close to this incident on the day (no further comment), is that I really want Mrs Roberts to be able to go home after this and actually draw a line beneath it - some day.
 
#5
meiktilaman said:
Was Sgt Roberts the guy killed in the no body armour row?
It was in yesterday's Daily Express.Sgt Roberts was killed in a blue on blue when when his convoy was attacked.His pistol had jammed & so another Trooper engaged the attacker with his tanks GPMG.The sights on the gimpy had been set to pin point & fired ater being ordered to by his Lcpl.He fired 2 bursts at the Iraqi who dropped.He then heard over the RT that Sgt Roberts was down.
Because of the shortage of Body Armour,Sgt Roberts was using a training jacket with the plates held on with black nasty.
That't a shortened version of the express article as the arent any links.
Spike
 
#7
ViroBono said:
Does the summons mean that TCH refused to attend voluntarily, or is it just the usual procedure?
I believe it's procedural, where the person has not been named to give evidence prior to the inquest opening. Although, given the period of time, and the exposure of Steve's inquest, it is a little surprising.


And before Hoon lies his little arrse off at this soldier's inquest, he might like to consider that there are hundreds of people, who not only know the truth of his "minor shortages", but will be only too happy to correct any misrepresentations that he should make to the inquest.
 
#8
I do hope he gets grilled but I fear that it will come to nothing.... which is a shame because he and others at the MOD deserve to be truely exposed as incompetent cnuts.
 
#9
spike7451 said:
...Because of the shortage of Body Armour,Sgt Roberts was using a training jacket with the plates held on with black nasty...
Spike, 'scuse my ignorance, but this is a new one on me. Sgt Roberts' situation is often described as having to give up his Enhanced CBA, the implication being that this left him with so to speak "Normal CBA".

Any idea from what vintage was this "training jacket"? Presumably a type which had been in operational use pre-mid 90s at the latest, but did not have pockets for the ceramic plates?
 
#10
Proximo said:
Yep - here it is from Sky News.

Meiktila - for my money, having been very close to this incident on the day (no further comment), is that I really want Mrs Roberts to be able to go home after this and actually draw a line beneath it - some day.
Absolutey Promimo I couldnt agree more I just wasnt sure thats all!
 
#11
h_8204 said:
I do hope he gets grilled but I fear that it will come to nothing.... which is a shame because he and others at the MOD deserve to be truely exposed as incompetent cnuts.
Rather demonstrates the complete lack of faith in there being any accountability by ministers for their decisions...
 
#12
h_8204 said:
I do hope he gets grilled but I fear that it will come to nothing.... which is a shame because he and others at the MOD deserve to be truely exposed as incompetent cnuts.
Steady on there- surely not incompetant. Self serving and corrupt, but not incompetant.
 
#13
Ord_Sgt said:
h_8204 said:
I do hope he gets grilled but I fear that it will come to nothing.... which is a shame because he and others at the MOD deserve to be truely exposed as incompetent cnuts.
Rather demonstrates the complete lack of faith in there being any accountability by ministers for their decisions...
Fair point, and as much as I would like to see him held to account for a number of his decisions and statements, I sincerely hope that Steve's inquest is not going to be used for political points scoring. My prediction would be along the lines of, following the inquest, there will be even more calls made for a full public enquiry into the planning for the op. We shall see.
 
#14
Have ministers ever been accountable to the public? No not really yes Tony may have sacked a few or demoted them but when was the last time a minister did the honerable thing and resigned after a blunder was it the Falklands? (May be a more recent example but can't think of any)
 
#18
hackle said:
spike7451 said:
...Because of the shortage of Body Armour,Sgt Roberts was using a training jacket with the plates held on with black nasty...
Spike, 'scuse my ignorance, but this is a new one on me. Sgt Roberts' situation is often described as having to give up his Enhanced CBA, the implication being that this left him with so to speak "Normal CBA".

Any idea from what vintage was this "training jacket"? Presumably a type which had been in operational use pre-mid 90s at the latest, but did not have pockets for the ceramic plates?
Hackle,
That's a It's a new one on me too,but here's the transcript from the Express yesterday,bear with me-hand typed as they dont have free archives!!;

<"A soldier killed in a hail of bullets was wearing a armoured jacket he had made himself out of household tape,an inquest was told yesterday.
Sgt Steve Roberts was forced to fasten armoured plates on to a training jacket with masking tape because of Army shortages.
He was shot bead by 'friendly fire' as he maned a checkpoint in Iraq in March 2003.
Trooper **** ********* broke down in tears as he recalled shooting his comrade.
And Sgt Roberts Sqn Sgt Maj said he would have survived if he had the correct body armour.
Sqn Sgt Maj ******* ******** told the Oxford Inquiry "I believe he would have survived.Some individuals used black masking tape to tape the the body armour & Sgt Roberts was wearing training body armour.
The armour plates would be squeezed into the front pocket.It was a tight squeeze & the armour plate would have been above where it would have been on a standard jacket"
Sgt Maj ******* said his troops ere forced to fashion the makeshift armour because the was a lack of large sizes for soldiers to wear.
Sgt Maj **** critisised the MoD's "Just enough just in time" kit distribution for servicemen going to war.
He said"The policy that the Government has got is beyond what the soldiers can comprehend sometimes,Troops were better prepared during the cold war than now.During the cold war,stores were prepared just in case the Russians came screaming across the border,but that's changed.You do not get the kit on time to do your job,And troops do not have enough ti to familiarise themselves with the pieces of kit before they go into theartre & have to se them for real ">

That's a shortened version for you,the rest just goes on about how the Sgt was killed & calls for Hoons sacking.As the inquest is ongoing,I've left the names of those involved out.
I too never heard of this before now & I'm wondering what the score is as well.Is it true or just media hype.Whatever the reason,I hold Hoon beyond contempt!
Spike
 
#20
I read the BOI recently via a link from this site (apologies, can't find it at present).

I understood that Sgt Roberts was wearing body armour less the ceramic plates and would have survived the shooting incident if the plates were in place.

Has anyone found the original link to the BOI?
 

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