HONOURS FOR CASH (H4C) – THE HELP FOR HEROES OBE’S

#1
Now we know how the MOD rewards those who raise £ 40 Million to build essential medical facilities for Serving Soldiers, yes I say again Serving Soldiers! MOD Nominates you for a couple of OBE's. The DMRC Gym and Swimming Pool and Army Recovery Centres should have been funded by the MOD/Treasury. They had a duty of care to do so as they are an essential component in the continuum of medical treatment for those injured on Operations. Instead along came Mr and Mrs Parry and kindly offered to fill the funding shortfall by tapping into the groundswell of public support for our soldiers, using clever marketing and exploitive publicity. Gordon Brown and the MOD bean counters were so delighted that they gave them, not one but two OBE’s. It is interesting to note that Lt Colonel Steve Clark, GM, QGM and Bar, R Sigs was only deemed worthy of an MBE for his awesome service to Queen and Country, Major Phil Packer RMP, who is an inspiration to all, gets nothing, yet he has painfully raised £Millions on behalf of the Parry’s so that they could get two OBE’s. The Parry's unashamedly say they responded to a funding gap within MOD when they first started raising money for the MOD/Brown, yet at that very same time Brown gave £47 Million to fund support for Gypsies/Tinkers, no funding gap there! I earnestly hope that Dr Liam Fox , the Defence Minister, reads this and realises that H4H have deprived Veterans of all Wars of Millions of Pounds as well as created a divisive two tier system of Casualties and Veterans. If he does perhaps he will refund the £40 Million to support those most in need, namely the forgotten Veterans of all our Wars. Finally it is nice to know that Honours for Cash is still alive and well, perhaps MOD/Treasury will send out an invite to tender for the next round. Meanwhile the long established Service Charities and their Voluntary worker go unrecognised, never mind they will be there when H4H has long gone.


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Olen
 
#3
CBE
Peter Derrick Cleminson. Formerly National chairman, Royal British Legion. For voluntary service to Ex-Servicemen and Women. (Chesham, Buckinghamshire)
MBE
Frederick Rockley Kaye. For voluntary service to the Royal British Legion Scotland. (Bathgate, West Lothian)
Charles Spencer Leader. For voluntary service to the Royal British Legion in St. Annes-on-Sea Lancashire. (St Annes-on-Sea, Lancashire)
Maj Philip Michael Packer. Adjutant General's Corps (Royal Military Police).
Gary Clement. Chairman South Atlantic Medal Association, Falkland Islands. For services to Military Veterans in the Falkland Islands.
Peter Lionel Leon Hodge. For voluntary service to the Normandy Veterans' Association. (Bristol)
Mrs Sylvia Elizabeth Rose. For voluntary service to the Market Garden Veterans' Association. (Romsey, Hampshire)


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/new...29/Queens-Birthday-honours-the-full-list.html

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#4
Olen we know what you are saying and I am sure we all agree that the Gov should have funded the projects, but they didn't and Mr and Mrs Parry (ex Green Jacket with a serving son) saw a need and plugged it. So well done them and congratulations to them both and Help for Heroes on a well deserved OBE.

Lets hope this Gov picks up the mantle and does what it should, and not rely on charitable giving.
 
#5
The biggest issues, IMHO, are:-

The facilities paid for by the charity are for Serving personnel. Do Charities provide single person accomodation or cookhouses?

The Charity has around £20million gathering interest when it could be benefitting worthy causes

In it's first year of operation, the Parry's claimed a total of £90,000 between them in 'Consultancy Fees' PLUS Expenses. They are now Employed Full time by H4H. Details of their Salaries have not been published. In fact, no accounts have been published since Sept 2008.

The Charity merchandise (apart from the wristbands) pay the admin costs and wages of those involved. This is not made clear at point of sale.

I'm surprised it was only OBE's. Knighthood's beckon if it continues at this rate.
 
#6
Olen said:
Now we know how the MOD rewards those who raise £ 40 Million to build essential medical facilities for Serving Soldiers, yes I say again Serving Soldiers! MOD Nominates you for a couple of OBE's. The DMRC Gym and Swimming Pool and Army Recovery Centres should have been funded by the MOD/Treasury. They had a duty of care to do so as they are an essential component in the continuum of medical treatment for those injured on Operations. Instead along came Mr and Mrs Parry and kindly offered to fill the funding shortfall by tapping into the groundswell of public support for our soldiers, using clever marketing and exploitive publicity. Gordon Brown and the MOD bean counters were so delighted that they gave them, not one but two OBE’s. It is interesting to note that Lt Colonel Steve Clark, GM, QGM and Bar, R Sigs was only deemed worthy of an MBE for his awesome service to Queen and Country, Major Phil Packer RMP, who is an inspiration to all, gets nothing, yet he has painfully raised £Millions on behalf of the Parry’s so that they could get two OBE’s. The Parry's unashamedly say they responded to a funding gap within MOD when they first started raising money for the MOD/Brown, yet at that very same time Brown gave £47 Million to fund support for Gypsies/Tinkers, no funding gap there! I earnestly hope that Dr Liam Fox , the Defence Minister, reads this and realises that H4H have deprived Veterans of all Wars of Millions of Pounds as well as created a divisive two tier system of Casualties and Veterans. If he does perhaps he will refund the £40 Million to support those most in need, namely the forgotten Veterans of all our Wars. Finally it is nice to know that Honours for Cash is still alive and well, perhaps MOD/Treasury will send out an invite to tender for the next round. Meanwhile the long established Service Charities and their Voluntary worker go unrecognised, never mind they will be there when H4H has long gone.


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Olen
Can we take it then, that you missed out on what you thought was a well deserved slap on the back for whatever it was that you did and felt was important enough to have received some formal recognition for?

Well done to everyone who received an award, I'm sure that they were very well deserved, in particularly the Parry's.
 

Goatman

ADC
Book Reviewer
#7
OP is plainly not aware of what H4H has done for 'older, more established charities' :
SOURCE

Help for Heroes are delighted to announce that we have been able to raise the £20m we pledged last March to help pay for the first four Personnel Recovery Centres. Work will begin immediately and we hope to see the first fully comprehensive centre open at Colchester in the spring of 2011 followed soon afterwards with PRCs at Catterick and then Tidworth.

The H4H funded Erskine Pathfinder (which was the first PRC to open) at Edinburgh will continue to operate for at least one more year while decisions are made as to how best to support the wounded in Scotland with either an extension of that facility or the creation of a new one closer to the Edinburgh garrison.

Individual Recovery Plans (IRP) £11,500,000

The Individual Recovery Programme Fund. (£20m)
The next item on the H4H Wish List is to provide funds to help pay for the Individual Recovery Programmes (IRPs) for those whose injuries mean that they will have to move on into civilian life. We have committed a further £5m each year (£3.75m for the Army) to support the IRPs. Typically, this fund will be used to enhance the resettlement package already available to Servicemen as they leave and to help give them every chance at a successful future. As with the QRF, this will be administered by each of the Service’s benevolent funds and will be an integral part of the Service’s Individual Recovery Programmes.

DMRC Headley Court £8,000,000
We allocated the first £8M to helping provide the new swimming pool and gym complex at DMRC Headley Court.

Quick Reaction Fund (QRF) £5,000,000
As it will take until 2011 for the PRC buildings to be fully operational and, in order to ensure that our wounded get all the support they need before that, we have come up with the QRF. Our funds, administered by the Services’ own charities, will ensure that individuals and their relatives can access H4H money to help when needed. For example, if a wounded Serviceman needs his home upgraded to enable him to live there, and there were no other funds available, our QRF would pay for the upgrade. Similarly, if a relative has run into financial difficulty through being beside their loved one’s hospital bed, the QRF can be used to help.

For further assistance please contact:
> ABF The Soldier’s Charity
> The Royal Marine Trust Fund
> RAFBF Royal Air Force Benevolent Fund


Combat Stess -£3,500,000
Last year Help For Heroes gave Combat Stress, the charity that helps veterans with mental wounds, a grant of £3.5 million. The money, the biggest grant in the history of Combat Stress, has been used to pay for the much needed expansion, modernisation and reorganisation of their specialist treatment centre, Tyrwhitt House in Surrey, in order to accommodate more Veterans and to provide uprated clinical and welfare working space. This is due to open in summer this year.

Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Families Association (SSAFA) £520,000 We have been delighted to donate £520K to aid the completion of the SSAFA Forces Help ‘Homes from Home’ appeal which now provides relatives' houses at Headley Court and Selly Oak.
"SSAFA Forces Help is delighted to receive the generous donation of £520,000 from Help for Heroes. The money is a significant contribution to our ‘Homes from Home’ appeal and will enable us to provide much needed support to our badly injured Servicemen and women and their families.

Other Smaller Grants £442,000
Hundreds of thousands of pounds has been awarded in smaller grants to associations and initiatives which benefit the wounded. These include the Combined Services Disabled Ski team, Khumbu challenge 2009 and Deptherapy diving courses.

Battle Back £308,000
The team at Headley Court know how important it is for their patients to get back to doing sporting activities that challenge and get their adrenalin flowing. A new Adaptive Adventure Training Team called Battle Back has been set up to ensure that the wounded get a chance to ‘feel the wind in the face and the sun on the back’.

Skill Force £224,300
The H4H grant will create an internship program within Skill Force for wounded servicemen and women suffering from mental or physical injuries sustained in active service.

The Princes Trust £186,000
We are really excited to announce a new partnership with the Prince’s trust, beginning with a grant of £93,000.

The money will enable wounded soldiers to participate in bespoke secondments with the Prince’s Trust Team Programme. The grant will also cover a post within the Partnerships Team that will be filled by a wounded soldier.

The British Limbless Ex Service Mens Association (BLESMA ) £100,000
The H4H grant will go towards funding four adventurous events for the wounded, organised by BLESMA, including a transatlantic yacht race, a ski trip to Colorado, ski bobbing in Austria and the 2009 Fastnet challenge.

The Rifles Casualty Capability Contingency Fund £100,000
The Fund was established to provide direct practical support for the wounded members of The Rifles, as a result of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan since 1st February 2007 (the formation of The Rifles) and the bereaved families of Rifle fatalities. This Capability aids the wounded personnel’s recovery either back to duty or to equip them for a move into civilian life.

Not Forgotten Association £60,000
A grant of £60,000 was awarded to the NFA and ring-fenced for those injured post 9/11. 50% of the grant was specifically allocated to support the participation of Servicemen and women (including staff carers where necessary) from DRMC Headley Court in organised recreational events, including a proportion of the event overhead.
Troop Aid £50,000
We are working with an inspirational group of volunteers called Troop Aid who supplied goodies to the hospital at Selly Oak to make a wounded patient's life a little better. With our funding, we are able to ensure their service is even more effective and now every patient who is injured while on active service will receive a Troop Aid Hero Grab Bag. This is a very simple idea but it makes a real difference to the moral and comfort of the patient.
Selly Oak Patients Welfare Fund £10,000
We are delighted to have been able to contribute to this very simple idea. We put £10,000 aside for the Military Liaison Officer’s funds at Selly Oak. That money enables the MLOs to take the patients and their relatives out for a pizza or a curry while they are at Selly Oak and for them to start getting used to being seen in public. It also enables the purchase of ordinary extras for patients and their families such as books and DVDs.

The fund is very simple; the MLOs know what their blokes would benefit from, they have the cash, they do it and that is that; simple but very, very effective.
Good luck to Bryn & Emma - and thanks :-D
 
#9
Seems to me Mr and Mrs Parry should have been honoured with at least a CBE - I'd have recommended them for a Knighthood.
Thank goodness for people like them.
 
#10
mark1234 said:
Where did you here they took £90,000 in consultancy fees?
It is documented in the accounts published on the Charity Commission's website. Available in pdf download.

This is what it says

Of the support costs
themselves, the largest items were employee costs of £0.1 million and consultancy of £0.1 million. Consultancy fees are
predominantly the costs of Bryn and Emma Parry

In expectation of their part-time and temporary status within the group, both Bryn and Emma Parry charged their time
as consultants on a daily basis. Neither was paid in excess of £60,000 and the total of their combined pay of £77,000 charged
to the charity is included within consultancy fees. In addition, Emma Parry charged £13,000 to H4H Trading. In recognition of the group’s recent decision to continue for the foreseeable future, both Bryn and Emma Parry became employees from 1 October 2008. Bryn Parry is now employed by the charity as its chief executive officer and Emma Parry is employed
by H4H Trading as its managing director.
 
#12
I got an MBE 10 years ago for fcuk knows why.......it gets you nowhere just uses more ink when you print a CV or a letter....well done to them for starting H4H as far as I am concerned
 
#13
There are some fair and poignant comments regarding the H4H OBEs. However; whilst they have done an astonishing amount of fund raising and dispersement, let's not loose sight of the fact the the ABF, in my mind, is still the principle chairity for ex servicemen and women. Congratulations though are due to the two worthy recipients of the OBEs.
 
#14
Compare to what the heads of some charities take out of the pot I think 90K is a relatively modest sum, and a dorp in th ocean compared to the amount of money the charity raises.

Someone has to run it and if it isn't them then who I can't think of any one better

Well done Bryn and Emma and congratulations on the awards
 
#15
There's no doubt that H4H captured a zeitgeist in the public mind, but there's always been two aspects which have troubled me...

Firstly, in setting the charity up in the first place the Parry's seemed to absolve the Government of its obligations towards the rehabilitation of injured servicemen. The MoD treated this as a 'get out of jail free' and did not hesitate in pouring praise on the work of the charity. The reality is that Des Browne and the rest of the Cabinet should have been ashamed that the charity should ever have been set up in the first place. But, lacking a moral compass, they did not, and they probably couldn't believe their luck when somebody built the facilities for them.

Secondly, there is something strangely cynical in the way that the H4H cause has always been linked to a 'Bryn and Emma' bandwagon. Whilst they have undoubtedly raised the awareness of important issues, I have always felt uncomfortable with their own profile in the campaign. The fact that £ millions are left unspent in a bank account makes me wonder if the Parry's are in it more for themselves than for the cause they claim to support.

Churlish of me I know, but something has never quite sat right with me about the whole H4H thing.

Which is why, personally, I have never knowingly given them a single penny, and never will. My charity of choice, and for whom I do alot of work, is SSAFA. Not only are they active in the rehabilitation support arena, they are also active in many other welfare areas that affect us as servicemen, and our families.

And they're not a bunch of self-publicising johnny-come-latelys either. SSAFA are 125 years young this year.
 

maninblack

LE
Book Reviewer
#16
I would turn this around and say that in my opinion they got OBEs because this was the last honours list to be drawn up by Labour and that this was a revenge honour.

The Parry's (along with others) caused great embarrassment to the Labour Government by pointing out funding shortfalls that were of very low priority for Labour.

H4H then became a national cause and amplified the embarrassment.

Giving OBEs, the lowest possible honour considering their achievements, has potentially stopped them receiving a higher and more fitting honour.

Therefore I would argue that this was a spiteful blow struck by that petty man, Brown, at the end of his career to wound two well meaning people.
 
#17
MittMayo said:
mark1234 said:
Where did you here they took £90,000 in consultancy fees?
It is documented in the accounts published on the Charity Commission's website. Available in pdf download.

This is what it says

Of the support costs
themselves, the largest items were employee costs of £0.1 million and consultancy of £0.1 million. Consultancy fees are
predominantly the costs of Bryn and Emma Parry

In expectation of their part-time and temporary status within the group, both Bryn and Emma Parry charged their time
as consultants on a daily basis. Neither was paid in excess of £60,000 and the total of their combined pay of £77,000 charged
to the charity is included within consultancy fees. In addition, Emma Parry charged £13,000 to H4H Trading. In recognition of the group’s recent decision to continue for the foreseeable future, both Bryn and Emma Parry became employees from 1 October 2008. Bryn Parry is now employed by the charity as its chief executive officer and Emma Parry is employed
by H4H Trading as its managing director.
They also charged H4H for rent for using their company accommodation, also looking at the audit £0.9m for wages and support, Dell gave them over £33,000 of office equipment .Easy money??

All income from H4H trading is used to pay for this,so that means basically any merchandise they sell is earmarked for wages and support not necessary heading to help the troops.

But I will say any fund raising donations received according to the auditors are only for H4H
 
#18
I am not naieve enough to think that they will have given all their time for free, and of course they shouldn't.

However, I can't help but think this has become a nice little earner for them too.

there are many other expenses not seen, vehicles, fuel, travel and, as pointed out above, rent for accomodation/offices already in use by the Parrys.

Being a cartoonist, he has also retained copyright for all the H4H cartoon images. they don't belong to H4H.

I await, with interest, the publication of the latest accounts which, no doubt, will not contain individual wage details.

Lets not forget, these were not consultancy fees and expenses of experienced Charity CEO's for an established charity, these were the claims of the 'founders' in the first year of running.


To put this into perspective, their consultancy fees alone were equal to the entire amount raised and spent by Holidays4Heroes in 2009
 
#19
Let's not move away from the fact that before H4H started, Headley Court was in a poor state...on a visit by the Parry's to Headley Court they saw the appalling mess the swimming pool was in....they asked the right questions to the right people and started raising money to adapt the pool situation. The Parrys never thought that the public would jump at a chance to alleviate the situation our wounded were in and for that I think they should receive some recognition.

Now get a life all you moaning gits, you're probably jealous of the fact that you didn't think of this charity.

Most charities do not sell an abundance of items and most monies donated goes to administration, ie, Cancer charities return is approximately 30%, other charities return anything between 5-20%.

98% of H4H donations goes to the charity and that has been so since the start. Bryn Parry is a designer and the bears on most of the goodies have been designed by Bryn - if he initially gave those "free" surely he is entitled to some return and also Emma for the ideas side.

Any other charity would be made up to have 2 people with such drive and determination on board and would be expensively charged for their expertise. The Parry's salaries are £77,000, which in anyone's language is fairly modest.

If asked, everyone who sells H4H goodies will tell you the split - donations 98% with 2% admin, trading items 100% admin.

As indicated previously, H4H don't keep the money for H4H, they also spread it around to Combat Stress, SSAFA, Battle Back, Individual Recovery Plans, IRC,s, Headley Court, Skill Force, QRF, Grab Bags, BLESMA.

Rant over
 
#20
OOOOOOOh get you!

No-one allowed to have an alternative opinion then?

How are you privvy to their wage amounts? Is that each or joint? Where is it published? Or are you just under reading the figures above and getting it wrong?
 

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