Hong Kong - Its past, the current and future - where is it heading?

This why sympathy for the HK Chinese should be limited.

Its all a bit faux-Windrush. Its been absolutely clear since 1984 (the Joint Declaration) what would be the ultimate fate of HK and its residents. HK'ers have literally had 36 years - a full generation and more - to make family arrangements to deal with the ultimate imposition of Chinese integration. I.e. leave.

IMHO, by granting asylum to c.3m HK'ers, BJ has fallen into the most enormous elephant trap, and one which, far from being camouflaged, was actually advertised in flashing neon. Namely; China is a totalitarian hostile state, and one which has quite clearly been waging asymmetric warfare (electronic, propaganda, spying, economic) against us for years now.

I expect that Xi will now spring the trap. He'll crack down in HK, and make life extremely unpleasant, particularly for those 3m passport holders. At the same time he'll line up ships and aircraft, and invite the 3m to GTFO and off to UK. This country will be swamped with refugees, and economically hammered in supporting them (most of them will arrive without assets).

China is going to leverage this situation for all its worth, and current HMG is going to be played like a fiddle.
Your opinion on the situation may well be a more accurate analysis than mine.

The common denominator of both however is that PRC are playing an evil game.

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Given a) Boris's announcement is limited to BNOs real and potential, b) BNOs by definition have to have been born before 1997 and c) the majority of protestors in HK are teens and early 20s, I wonder how many of those most likely to be affected by the security law will actually be eligible to come.
 
Given a) Boris's announcement is limited to BNOs real and potential, b) BNOs by definition have to have been born before 1997 and c) the majority of protestors in HK are teens and early 20s, I wonder how many of those most likely to be affected by the security law will actually be eligible to come.
China playing ' The Long Game ' on that point.
Right now, they are also using their takeover of HK to cover for the Covid debacle.

PRC have shown their hand.
We can placate - or tell them we are not taking any more.
 
China playing ' The Long Game ' on that point.
Right now, they are also using their takeover of HK to cover for the Covid debacle.

PRC have shown their hand.
We can placate - or tell them we are not taking any more.
Also up to no good on the top of the world frontier with India.
 
Right now, they are also using their takeover of HK to cover for the Covid debacle.
They have psychic powers?

They've been 'taking over' Hong Kong since 1997 and the current-issue security law was originally drafted in response to the 2014 protests - which also turned a bit violent.
 
They have psychic powers?

They've been 'taking over' Hong Kong since 1997 and the current-issue security law was originally drafted in response to the 2014 protests - which also turned a bit violent.
Not psychic powers - just not missing any hand they are dealt, tricks they can play.

We know what they are doing and they are not going to get away with it any longer.
 

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I doubt if many will actually come but they might move more of their money here in case of a rainy day.

Any way the more the merry I say. If they do come they’ll create hobs and wealth.
 
Not psychic powers - just not missing any hand they are dealt, tricks they can play.
Especially not when it comes to implementing their side of the agreement as it stood in 1997.
We know what they are doing
If only that were true. Instead, we seem to be content with making a lot of stuff up instead.
 
I doubt if many will actually come but they might move more of their money here in case of a rainy day.

Any way the more the merry I say. If they do come they’ll create hobs and wealth.
If this Country actually NEEDS immigrants to sustain itself - as the Left continually tells us - then Welcome Hong Kong Chinese !

Do you think they are going to vote Labour ?
 
Given a) Boris's announcement is limited to BNOs real and potential, b) BNOs by definition have to have been born before 1997 and c) the majority of protestors in HK are teens and early 20s, I wonder how many of those most likely to be affected by the security law will actually be eligible to come.
Are the families included? The children of those around in 1997 may well be in the protesters ranks.
 
Especially not when it comes to implementing their side of the agreement as it stood in 1997.

If only that were true. Instead, we seem to be content with making a lot of stuff up instead.
Today in Parliament the PRC was roasted for not only violating the spirit of the Sino-Brit Joint Declaration - but also the letter of it.

What part of that do you disagree with ?
 
Are the families included? The children of those around in 1997 may well be in the protesters ranks.
Not according to the current rules for BNO status, anyway.

Changing that would be an awkward precedent - we already get enough problems from grandfather rights as it is.
 
What part of that do you disagree with
The bit where the SBJD allowed the PRC to decide for itself when a threat to its territorial integrity, national security or public safety was emerging in Hong Kong and act accordingly.

2014 and 2019 seem to fit the bill on all counts.
 
I would be surprised if even under a worst case scenario 10% of those eligible to take up the new UK BNO residency offer were to move to the UK. I suspect that what will happen is that a fair number will get their nice shiny new passport and then put it away for a rainy day but only a relatively small number will actually move to the UK.
You wern't part of the Home Office Planning Dept that estimated that only 13,000 Poles and other East Europeans from the A8 would come to the UK in 2004 were you?
 
I suspect that he is worried about losing the best business brains, the top financial specialist and economists and skilled engineers and creative people Doctors, Surgeons, Jewellers, Goldsmiths etc, many of whom are at ease with both communicating and working alongside us Gwi Lohs
Yes but the vast majority of the 3 million don't fit into that catagory. A lot don't speak English or speak it very poorly unlike the Chinese in Singapore and Malaysia, many who speak it as a first language.
 
Yes but the vast majority of the 3 million don't fit into that catagory. A lot don't speak English or speak it very poorly unlike the Chinese in Singapore and Malaysia, many who speak it as a first language.
They'd fit in well in Liverpool then, there is already a Chinese quarter, and the indigenous population speak English poorly anyway
 
Prior to '97 I'd have said yes, let em in. Unfortunately, that was the same year that some other twat decided to let everyone else in instead. 3m is a population dump we can well do without.

Will we extend the same invite to those other 'Sons of Empire' who are under an even worse threat: white South Africans?
 
Are the families included? The children of those around in 1997 may well be in the protesters ranks.
Just noticed this from the South China Morning Post, where it says "and their dependents", which if true suggests and their families.

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Britain offers millions of Hongkongers residency rights and path to citizenship after national security law implemented
  • Around 3 million holders of the BN(O) passport and their dependents will be allowed to move to UK for five years and then apply for permanent residency
  • Prime Minister Boris Johnson announces new rights after imposition of law Britain says is a ‘clear and serious’ breach of the agreement guaranteeing autonomy
Stuart Lau
Published: 7:47pm, 1 Jul, 2020

Britain offers millions of Hongkongers path to citizenship
 

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