Hong Kong - Its past, the current and future - where is it heading?

I am sure that the UK, post-Brexit and post Covid with an economy in tatters, will welcome 3 million new settlers with open arms.
 
I am sure that the UK, post-Brexit and post Covid with an economy in tatters, will welcome 3 million new settlers with open arms.
I would be surprised if even under a worst case scenario 10% of those eligible to take up the new UK BNO residency offer were to move to the UK. I suspect that what will happen is that a fair number will get their nice shiny new passport and then put it away for a rainy day but only a relatively small number will actually move to the UK.

What it does do though is draw a line under the matter so far as the UK are concerned. I think it's aimed mainly at addressing pressure within the Conservative Party from people who feel some post-colonial obligation towards Hong Kong and want the government to "do something". Johnson can now say that the UK has met all the obligations to former colonial subjects in Hong Kong that the UK could reasonably be expected to have, and that's the end of it.
 

Joshua Slocum

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A couple of thoughts, our local very well respected private school, now seems to have a majority of Chinese/HK Children, security has been improved, and drugs dogs are a regular sight keeping the local dealers away, as are some large rufty tufty fellas who would appear to take a robust line with our local scum
I used to notice one or two Asian children, but these last years I reckon 40 percent of the pupils, all of them are very well behaved and a pleasure to host when they come into town, likewise their parents book into local hotels and boost the economy during holiday times
perhaps the Wider Diaspora has already seen which way the wind is blowing, and are making plans for the next generation of very bright young people ?
Today little Big Daddy Xi has reprimanded the British Government over the recent offer to house HK residents who wish to depart
I suspect that he is worried about losing the best business brains, the top financial specialist and economists and skilled engineers and creative people Doctors, Surgeons, Jewellers, Goldsmiths etc, many of whom are at ease with both communicating and working alongside us Gwi Lohs
Also it is likely that vast reserves of Capital and stocks and shares are gently but imperceptibly being moved to new safe places well out of his and the commies reach
all governments need money, even communists ones now matter how well they are run
 
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Joshua Slocum

LE
Book Reviewer
I am sure that the UK, post-Brexit and post Covid with an economy in tatters, will welcome 3 million new settlers with open arms.
many of those people are exactly the bright incisive clear thinking and organised minds that this country would greatly benefit from hosting
quick as a Hong Kong minute
I am sure they would turn many ailing businesses around, replace many stuffy old boy networks , and generate new business and teach us new skills
which is exactly why big daddy wont let them go
 
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perhaps the Wider Diaspora has already seen which way the wind is blowing, and are making plans for the next generation of very bright young people ?
A similar thing has happened at various points in China's history - including, ironically enough, when Britain extended their control over HK after the 2nd Opium War. Families tend to spread their offspring around a bit to hedge against as many eventualities as possible and it's reasonably common for brothers/cousins/etc. to coordinate whose kids go where to maximise the coverage.

In the aftermath of the Communist victory, for example, more than a few wealthier Shanghai families sent one kid to Taiwan, one to the US and one to the CCP.
 
I am sure that the UK, post-Brexit and post Covid with an economy in tatters, will welcome 3 million new settlers with open arms.

Yep that seems to be the consensus here they will be most welcome, lots of discussion about creating a charter city / free port for them. Exactly the sort of boost a post Brexit UK can really use.

No one seems that keen on getting the expats back though, I am sure that if they stay they will learn to 'sing red' and the CCP will have work for them
 
A similar thing has happened at various points in China's history - including, ironically enough, when Britain extended their control over HK after the 2nd Opium War. Families tend to spread their offspring around a bit to hedge against as many eventualities as possible and it's reasonably common for brothers/cousins/etc. to coordinate whose kids go where to maximise the coverage.

In the aftermath of the Communist victory, for example, more than a few wealthier Shanghai families sent one kid to Taiwan, one to the US and one to the CCP.
Very much the case in my circle of Chinese freinds / partners, everyone has a son / daughter who is now British, German, Danish, NZ, Canadian etc. The principle focus of every family in future planning and given Chinese History a very sensible move indeed.
 
Was asked by a lefty mate what I thought of BJ offer.
My reply that welcoming all those extra middle class potential Tory voters was a great idea.
He didn't see that as funny and gave a very non pc opinion.
 
A couple of thoughts, our local very well respected private school, now seems to have a majority of Chinese/HK Children, security has been improved, and drugs dogs are a regular sight keeping the local dealers away, as are some large rufty tufty fellas who would appear to take a robust line with our local scum
I used to notice one or two Asian children, but these last years I reckon 40 percent of the pupils, all of them are very well behaved and a pleasure to host when they come into town, likewise their parents book into local hotels and boost the economy during holiday times
perhaps the Wider Diaspora has already seen which way the wind is blowing, and are making plans for the next generation of very bright young people ?
Today little Big Daddy Xi has reprimanded the British Government over the recent offer to house HK residents who wish to depart
I suspect that he is worried about losing the best business brains, the top financial specialist and economists and skilled engineers and creative people Doctors, Surgeons, Jewellers, Goldsmiths etc, many of whom are at ease with both communicating and working alongside us Gwi Lohs
Also it is likely that vast reserves of Capital and stocks and shares are gently but imperceptibly being moved to new safe places well out of his and the commies reach
all governments need money, even communists ones now matter how well they are run
There are loads of Chinese and Hong Kong students at private schools in Canada. It is believed that spending the last couple of years of secondary school in Canada makes it easier to get into a Canadian university.

This goes back decades, and they were mainly Hong Kong students in the years before the hand over, although I believe they now come from all over China.

As a side note, and purely for entertainment purposes, I can recall from several decades ago a rather amusing social division between Hong Kong university students who came from well off business families and those who were reputed to be the offspring of Hong Kong police sergeants. At the time the Hong Kong police had a reputation for massive corruption, and sergeants were apparently able to amass substantial fortunes and were sending their children off to get foreign educations at good univesities. I was with some friends who read a classified ad in a newspaper where someone was selling off his apartment furniture prior to returning to Hong Kong. Among the items to be sold was a set of mink covered stereo speakers. When we marvelled at the appalling tastelessness of something that we never previously imagined would exist, a girl from a Hong Kong Chinese business family declared that the seller was obviously the son of a police sergeant. The rest of us saw it as quite plausible.
 
I am sure that the UK, post-Brexit and post Covid with an economy in tatters, will welcome 3 million new settlers with open arms.
At least they will be educated, and besides our moral duty to help it will also help undermine Hong Kong as a trading area for China ,whilst winning hearts and minds through doing it

Perhaps there is a downside but I can't see it yet
 
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At least they will be educated, and besides our moral duty to help it will also help undermine Hong Kong as a trading for China whilst winning hearts and minds through doing it

Perhaps there is a downside but I can't see it yet
Downside is 3 million extra bods and further demographic suicide of the United Kingdom

I am sure they would be of benefit, but I don't want 3 million of anyone here
 
It also means the Tory party can’t be seen as anti immigrants. A possibility politically motivated decision by BJ?
Kind of gives the whole Brexit and racist argument less ammunition.
 
Ridiculous and so typical of Boris. He is given to being swept up in the spirit of the moment and making rash pronouncements and tossing out soundbites to show what a splendid chap he is. Then comes the reality.

Where will you house them, educate them or treat them when they are sick, Boris?

It seems to have escaped his notice that while unemployment is rapidly on its way to levels unknown for generations, the last thing you need in an already grossly overpopulated country is a huge influx of immigrants.
 

4(T)

LE
At least they will be educated, and besides our moral duty to help it will also help undermine Hong Kong as a trading for China whilst winning hearts and minds through doing it

Perhaps there is a downside but I can't see it yet


IMHO its extremely dangerous to create a resident Chinese diaspora who will contain a very large number of people susceptible to Beijing's will (and/or pressure on family back home). The presence of large Chinese communities in most western countries is already raising questions.

Ditto for yet another layer of clan-based organised crime impenetrable to the authorities (if they get off their bended knees, that is). Not sure how we're doing with current Triad activities in UK, or what will happen if they become an order of magnitude higher.

A separate issue is whether the country can stand much more forced demographic and cultural change without erupting into sectarian violence. I don't just mean from the displaced whiteys: if BLM think they are hard done by now, well they'll be pushed even further down the food chain with a new Asiatic layer competing for welfare and housing.
 
Ridiculous and so typical of Boris. He is given to being swept up in the spirit of the moment and making rash pronouncements and tossing out soundbites to show what a splendid chap he is. Then comes the reality.

Where will you house them, educate them or treat them when they are sick, Boris?

It seems to have escaped his notice that while unemployment is rapidly on its way to levels unknown for generations, the last thing you need in an already grossly overpopulated country is a huge influx of immigrants.
He is doing a 'Churchill'.

When the shit hits the fan - and to be fair, recently copious amounts of it have been flying around, what he has just said DEFIES the argument of financial cost alone.

It is Right to offer sanctuary to to those HKrs at this time.
Bugger the cost, Britain is doing the right thing again.
 

Hippohunter

Old-Salt
The Chinese always play the long game. The complete and total assimilation of Hong Kong into China to disappear without trace was and is inevitable. China will be the only ones having any input into the future of Hong Kong. They will erode and dismantle any and all agreements. The UK will do nothing about it bar a “strongly worded” letter of protest.
 
He is doing a 'Churchill'.

When the shit hits the fan - and to be fair, recently copious amounts of it have been flying around, what he has just said DEFIES the argument of financial cost alone.

It is Right to offer sanctuary to to those HKrs at this time.
Bugger the cost, Britain is doing the right thing again.
Let them settle in Sheppey. It will improve the place immeasurably.
 

4(T)

LE
The Chinese always play the long game. The complete and total assimilation of Hong Kong into China to disappear without trace was and is inevitable. China will be the only ones having any input into the future of Hong Kong. They will erode and dismantle any and all agreements. The UK will do nothing about it bar a “strongly worded” letter of protest.


This why sympathy for the HK Chinese should be limited.

Its all a bit faux-Windrush. Its been absolutely clear since 1984 (the Joint Declaration) what would be the ultimate fate of HK and its residents. HK'ers have literally had 36 years - a full generation and more - to make family arrangements to deal with the ultimate imposition of Chinese integration. I.e. leave.

IMHO, by granting asylum to c.3m HK'ers, BJ has fallen into the most enormous elephant trap, and one which, far from being camouflaged, was actually advertised in flashing neon. Namely; China is a totalitarian hostile state, and one which has quite clearly been waging asymmetric warfare (electronic, propaganda, spying, economic) against us for years now.

I expect that Xi will now spring the trap. He'll crack down in HK, and make life extremely unpleasant, particularly for those 3m passport holders. At the same time he'll line up ships and aircraft, and invite the 3m to GTFO and off to UK. This country will be swamped with refugees, and economically hammered in supporting them (most of them will arrive without assets).

China is going to leverage this situation for all its worth, and current HMG is going to be played like a fiddle.
 

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