Honest Advice needed.

#1
I am considering joining the Army, it is something I have always wanted to do. I am torn at the moment because I am currently a serving Police Officer and am frustrated with my job due to paperwork and political correctness gone wild. I am fully aware that that me joining the army would mean a drop in pay however on the other hand I am thinking, If i never join the army and go through life regretting the fact that I never joined it will always be playing on my mind.
I would appreciate any advice you could give me. Do you think it is worth leaving the Police force to join the Army?
 
#3
Honestly? Honestly, this is the wrong place to ask for advice!
 
#4
Have you sat down and worked out the pros and cons?? That'd be a good place to start.
 

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#5
An almost impossible question to answer with so many variables on both sides. Might be easier if you narrow it down to your interests in the Army as well as your personal circumstances if you want a reasonable response.
 
#6
well, my particular interest in the army is the Kings troop. I have always enjoyed watching the gun salutes and had an interest in artillery. I am single and don't have any ties to stop me joining the army.
One thing attracts me to the army is the friends you will make and the camaraderie. This has all but gone out of the Police force due to the fact that they stopped residential basic training.
The main frustration for me is the paper work every time you arrest someone, there is paper work to be done. Also if you don't have the right piece of paper then everything grinds to a halt. Hopefully this is not the same in the army?
 
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#7
simonjandrews said:
I am considering joining the Army, it is something I have always wanted to do. I am torn at the moment because I am currently a serving Police Officer and am frustrated with my job due to paperwork and political correctness gone wild. I am fully aware that that me joining the army would mean a drop in pay however on the other hand I am thinking, If i never join the army and go through life regretting the fact that I never joined it will always be playing on my mind.
I would appreciate any advice you could give me. Do you think it is worth leaving the Police force to join the Army?

Do you think we could do a job swap............
 
#9
Kings Troop is a tricky one. Yes they are soldiers, but 95% of their tasks revolve around ceremonial duties/display work. Don't forget the mucking out of the horses from a-hole o'clock, followed by the stables work throughout the day etc.

If that still excites you (and why not - they look smart and have a different job to most), then go for it, but if it is soldiering as a whole that is interesting you, the option to do Op tours, exercises, make things go bang etc may not present themselves as often in Kings Troop.

As for whether or not to change from Police to Army - one person has asked the question - do you intend to join as an Officer or Soldier - as an Officer there is a huge mount of admin to be done that you just can't escape these days (I know, Officers and admin..). Mostly gone are the days of handing your idea to a SNCO and it magically happens for you to take the credit. Political correctness and health and safety still affect us in green. If however you intend to be a soldier, then responsibility builds up and what is expected of you accordingly.

I would say go for it if you want to - if you are unhappy in your Police job and have an interest in another (in this instance Army) then give it a shot - just remember that you can't "give it a crack for a couple of weeks, then bin it when I feel like it" - 4 year commitment after your DAOR window closes.
 
#10
How long have you been in the job, and how old are you mate?

It's a difficult one to decide on. On one hand the "job" isn't a bad one but I share a lot of your dissolusionment with it (to the point I'm currently going through the process of transfering to Calgary) in it's current form.

The paperwork and lack of discretion is a major bone of contention with a lot of OB who didn't join to be some form of stat collector/social worker/Jeremt Kyle/ arrse coverer. I include myself in that pile. It certainly isn't the job I joined to do.

If you're out of your probation have you considerd uniformed spacialisation such as Firearms/Support Group/Dogs etc? They're still frontline posts but generally carry less paperwork burdens, they also have a reputation for cameraderie and a strong teamwork ethic, but the powers that be would call it "Van Culture" or "elitism"..

If you're still quite young (being in my almost mid thirties i consider myself a bit older now) you could always rejoin after you've served in the army.
 
#11
I am 22 now, I have been in for a year and a half, I have got about 6 months till my probation ends. I can then specialize if there is an opportunity for me to do so. If I left I don't think I would apply again to the Police as they make you write them crap essays on the community and how to wipe peoples arse's.
Also like you said there is a massive lack of discretion in the Police Force and National Crime recording standards are a joke. The wearing of stupid yellow jackets in broard daylight, arresting the same piss takers over and over and not being able to give them a good kicking because of human rights legislation, the list of shite is endless ahhh! it just winds me up
 
#12
Good man Simon J, your lack of dignity at work is exactly the skill sets you need as a soldier. We are very professional and all strive to be the best person that we can be, coupled with a focus on winning & not contemplating failure. I know as a peeler life can be hard, but it will be an awful lot harder on active service overseas. However with a sense of humour and surrounded by mates who trust with each others lifes, move over to the Military. We have a wicked sense of humour and take no prisoners. I have a few mates who left the Military & moved into the Police and did not feel as happy or trustworthy of their new colleagues. The difference between the Police & the Military is that your current customers are JD Wetherspoons end users & the guys and girls are dealing with Terry Taliban & Al Qaeda. Your Police basic training & youth will be great at you standing ahead of your peers either at Sandhurst or on basic training at a Depot as a recruit. Good luck !
 
#13
simonjandrews said:
I am 22 now, I have been in for a year and a half, I have got about 6 months till my probation ends. I can then specialize if there is an opportunity for me to do so. If I left I don't think I would apply again to the Police as they make you write them crap essays on the community and how to wipe peoples arse's.
Also like you said there is a massive lack of discretion in the Police Force and National Crime recording standards are a joke. The wearing of stupid yellow jackets in broard daylight, arresting the same urine takers over and over and not being able to give them a good kicking because of human rights legislation, the list of shite is endless ahhh! it just winds me up
A year and a half? it took me 3 years before I had a titfull!

Thought of emograting? Western Australia Police have 500 posts to fill next year.
 
#14
I have thought about emigrating but then again my wanting to emigrate comes from the fact that this country is flooded with immigrants. I don't want to leave this country to be a foreigner in another. I like this country its just all the tossers we've got running it.
Yep it has taken me a year and a half to realize that the Police force is modeled on Disney land! Also I find that in the Police the people who are working their way up the rank ladder will shit on you to get up there and then you are expected to respect them. Really makes for good team work!
 
#15
Well you can't bayonet babies in the police.........................or can you?

Seriously do you have dependents? Because if you have to take a drop in pay then despite what is said now the picture may well change when reality sets in.
If not then join the Army now, because otherwise you will regret not having given it a shot for the rest of your life. You can always come back to the plods afterwards if you still want to.
Otherwise the TA may be an option, with the commensurate INCREASE in pay.

Kings Troop looks good, but as said is a lot of routine, and it sounds like you want a break. So either do RMP where you can use your present skills or make a complete break and choose another option that will give you another view of things.

Good luck whatever.
 
#16
How about trying a different force instead? Perhaps somewhere where you could have a mounted role?

I would have suggested the TA, but I'm not aware of any TA units which have horses, also I think it depends on your Chief Constable if you are allowed to join as a serving copper.
 
#17
simonjandrews said:
I am 22 now, I have been in for a year and a half, I have got about 6 months till my probation ends........
Am sure even if you applied to the army today, it would prob take more than six months to go through joining process but what I wanted to say was stick it out to the end of your probation, get confirmed
(not in an eclesiatical sense but where you meet the Chief Const, smile and nod at everything he/she says) and then leave the police.

That way, you can tell the army or indeed any future employer, you joined the police service, successfully completed your training period but with proper consideration, decided it wasn't for you.

However true, don't mention at a job interview that your reasons for leaving were not being able to give scrotes a good kicking and getting fukked off with paperwork as it won't show you in a good light as most employers (including the army) would worry they were employing some sort of illiterate Charlie Bronson type of character.

Johnny

P.S In the future when you tell someone/anyone that you were a copper please please explain how sh1t it really is. Most people seem to glaze over and still seem to believe that being a copper is like having a winning lottery ticket on a double roll over with a hollywood movie star lifestyle thrown in.

P.P.S Good Luck
 
#18
Two points.

Your nom de plume might not be very secure!

Your police pension accrues much, much faster than it does in the military. You can retire after 30 years on your full pension, IIRC. You'll take one helluva hit in both pay and pension joining the Army.

Most people join the Army, and leave at the 4-8 year point to join the police/fire brigade/ambulance service. Why would you want to travel in the opposite direction?

That's 3 points. Soldiers can't count....

Litotes
 
#19
johnnyonthespot said:
simonjandrews said:
P.S In the future when you tell someone/anyone that you were a copper please please explain how sh1t it really is. Most people seem to glaze over and still seem to believe that being a copper is like having a winning lottery ticket on a double roll over with a hollywood movie star lifestyle thrown in.

P.P.S Good Luck
Its certainly not all its cracked up to be. You cant beat them domestics when your ready to finish shift. or when you have to sit in the cells watching some idiot who is drugged up to his eyeballs for hours on end.
I think people watch things like street wars the recent tv program and think its great but the novelty of rolling about outside a club with some drunk soon wears off.
There is no hollywood lifestyle to Policing. The only good thing is the pension and the pay.

I have thought about a different force, I am a bit unsure what to do. I may see out my probation and go from there. Cheers for all the advice.
 
#20
Litotes said:
Two points.

Your nom de plume might not be very secure!

Your police pension accrues much, much faster than it does in the military. You can retire after 30 years on your full pension, IIRC. You'll take one helluva hit in both pay and pension joining the Army.

Most people join the Army, and leave at the 4-8 year point to join the police/fire brigade/ambulance service. Why would you want to travel in the opposite direction?

That's 3 points. Soldiers can't count....

Litotes
Spend 30 years of your working life doing something which a) you don't enjoy/or find rewarding
b) means you have to work long, unsociable and unpredictable hours casuing havoc with life outside ofwork

Admittedly it is a good pension but there are other jobs/careers with decent pensions and benefits which won't make half the demands on your life the police do.

As per my other threads on this topic, most people I know (in CID and other depts) with 10-25 years service are counting the months and crossing off the paypackets until their retirement.

Just seems like a very sad way of life when you only get one life and there are other jobs which provide a reasonable salary/pension.

In other jobs, when you finish your allotted working day, your time is your own (not come to work at 8am and get home at midnight, having had to scrap any plans you had for your evening at the drop of a hat and still be expected to come in early the next day and do another 10 or 12 hours.

Also get phonecalls at home, work nights (which are very bad for your health), work weekends, BH's xmas etc when the rest of the world is relaxing enjoying things. It's massively stressful and coppers have lower life expectencies than other jobs of similar salary/status.

By the time you get your amazing pension, the best years of your life are gone, you've missed your kids growing up, missed no end of opportunities to utilise the time you would have had to experience what the world has to offer and thoroughly pissed off your missus unless (she's very understanding or just doesn't care). It's also a gamble as to whether you'll live long enough to reap the benefits of your pension and that your health will hold out.

Why do you think so many Brit coppers are leaving, trying to get over to Oz and New Zealand police or taking career breaks and fukking off somewhere else for a few years. The reason being the job is SH!T.

The answer is, find a career which you like and pays ok, has a reasonable pension or allows you to save privately and does not intrude on the more important aspects of life like enjoying yourself and achieving what you want to achieve.

Johnny
 

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