Home of the RAMC

where should the RAMC `home` be?

  • Keogh Barracks

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  • RMAS

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  • Litchfield

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  • Shaibah Log Base

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  • who cares? ethos? whats that?

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#1
A lot was said about ethos and the 'spiritual home' of the RAMC, hinting towards Camerley but how can somewhere where that 90% of the Corps have never been to and somewhere that we are a lodger unit in be our Corps home? Surely if its anywhere then its Keogh Barracks, we all end up there one way or another, be it during basic training (old boys) or during career courses and the J/S/WOMQCs.

any thoughts?
 

Ventress

LE
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#2
I can vote for none of the above as none are our Spritual home. We discussed it in an intoxicated state at the P&P and the closes we got was Keogh Barracks. But that has become sullied and part of a bigger beast that doesnt include the likes of us!
 
#3
true, Keogh has gone too far down the Tri-Service path, almost totally eradicating any trace that the Army was ever there on its own.
 
#4
If there's a "home" of the RAMC in the sense you're suggesting, I'd say it was the site of the old Church Crookham Barracks: first true Depot for the Corps. Keogh only comes a close second. And even though it may have been "sullied" (your word, not mine) by its new purple culture, we cannot expect even that association to last forever as DMSTC prepares to move north by hook or by crook.

The spiritual home of the RAMC - and all the AMS - will be at the sides of the patients we treat and the soldiers we serve. Whether that's in a cushy MDHU, SLB or under fire in a muddy Falklands ditch is neither here nor there. Having an ethos isn't about knowing where the Mess silver is stored: it's about preserving and maintaining a history of service and self-sacrifice in the face of the enemy.

IF
 
#5
Filbert Fox said:
true, Keogh has gone too far down the Tri-Service path, almost totally eradicating any trace that the Army was ever there on its own.
Whats the score with a bloody great big plane by the main gate? Its very RAF, but not very medical.
 
#6
the pilot heard that there was a bus load of nurses from Rinteln about to arrive for the Friday night bop, landed, couldnt take off again so he left it there!
 
#7
Gate guard. As a tri-Service establishment, they're entitled to one - just like the anchor on the other side of the road. I know at least one former Adjutant used to take great pleasure in finding inventive ways to vandalize the plane, even managing to get a cuddly Garfield stuck to the inside of the cockpit on one occasion.

IF
 
#8
IdeasFactory said:
The spiritual home of the RAMC - and all the AMS - will be at the sides of the patients we treat and the soldiers we serve. Whether that's in a cushy MDHU, SLB or under fire in a muddy Falklands ditch is neither here nor there. Having an ethos isn't about knowing where the Mess silver is stored: it's about preserving and maintaining a history of service and self-sacrifice in the face of the enemy.
'Home' needs to be somewhere that youve been, which definately isnt RMAS for the majority of the RAMC! Home also isnt our places of work or countries that weve deployed to otherwise the Corps 'home' would be different for every single member, past and present, of the RAMC. Wheres the Corps ethos if none of us have the same Corps Home?
 
#9
theoriginalphantom said:
Whats the score with a bloody great big plane by the main gate? Its very RAF, but not very medical.
Money left in the Budget, so instead of sorting out Sandhurst Block they buy the plane!
 
#10
I'd have to say Keogh. Lichfield doesnt have a look in. The town is the "Spiritual home of the Staffords and the RAMC had a "Part share" of a company so not a large enough presence to call it home. Besides phase one is now ATR Winchester.

granted Keogh is now more of a home to the RAF and Navy, but spiritualy for the Majority of the RAMC of today it is home.

Two or Three years time it may be something completely different. But before we gob off about being hard done bye, where would the QARANC call home?

RADC - No fixed abode.

The only corner of the AMS that retains a home has to be the RAVC!
 
#12
Lets be totally honest about this, currently we are homeless and I will be the first to admit that it is not a pleasant feeling. As has already been stated Keogh is too purple, Lichfield as yet doesnt have enough AMS representation at it. RMAS is not frequantly visited by Junior ranks and only visited by SNCO's for P+P and by WO's for the annual conference.

So as I previously stated we are homeless.

You could argue that Strensall is fast bcoming the home of the RAMC as a vast majority now complete their pre-deployment training there and it is definately considered as the AMS TA home.

Super Garrisons may not improve matters any as this may actually in the future move 22 and 4 out of Aldershot and if the DMSTC moves to Lichfield then the Keogh, Camberly option is out of the window also ?

Its a cunundrum

It will soon be a paul young answer "wherever you lay your hat"
 
#13
I would like to think Keogh due to the history, plus the museum's there, but if the tri-service environment rules that out then it's probably going to be AMSTC/QEB at Towthorpe Lines/Strensall respectively, as that's where most of the AMS, Regs and TA alike seem to pass through at some stage.
 
#14
Having spent time at Keogh and Strenny, I'd have to vote for Keogh. As said before, at least it has the museum. :wink:

The overwhelming feeling I get at Strensall is mostly TA recruit training/weekend courses at the Merlin Centre. You even have to march across the field to get to somewhere resembling a medical establishment. This is then filled with a thousand officers and four privates. :roll:
 
#15
Unfortunatly, it has to be said that most people's first response to this would be Keogh, although it will now be classed as the home to anyone remotly envolved in the medical world.

The future is bright....the future is purple

PS, Bird how was the exercise?
 
#16
birduk said:
This is then filled with a thousand officers and four privates. :roll:
That sums up the TA AMS in its entirety, although we are now discouraged from using the word top-heavy, so we refer to it as fat-headed instead.
 
#17
Please dont tell me that the higher echelons of the RAMC are now trying to blame the lack of Corps ethos on the lack of a "spititual Home" !

PAP !

The lack of Corps ethos is due to more blatantly obvious reasons ie:

Majors being TFI'd from other Regts/Corps !

LE Commissions from other Regts/Corps !

The two above are corrosive elements at the heart of the RAMC who bring with them their total lack of RAMC ethos and who openly promote their previous capbadge.

The lack of single service identity at the DMSTC is ensuring that our junior ranks and in some cases our seniour ranks have no fundamental knowledge of the Corps History and as such are not aware of what type of institution they are becoming a part of.

We havent had a true home identity for over ten years and now its an issue ? or is it a smoke screen for other more pressing matters ?
 

Ventress

LE
Moderator
#18
ViciousCircle said:
The lack of Corps ethos is due to more blatantly obvious reasons ie:

Majors being TFI'd from other Regts/Corps !

LE Commissions from other Regts/Corps !

The two above are corrosive elements at the heart of the RAMC who bring with them their total lack of RAMC ethos and who openly promote their previous capbadge.
Ooh, like the cut of your jib!
 
#20
ViciousCircle said:
Please dont tell me that the higher echelons of the RAMC are now trying to blame the lack of Corps ethos on the lack of a "spititual Home" !

PAP !

The lack of Corps ethos is due to more blatantly obvious reasons ie:

Majors being TFI'd from other Regts/Corps !

LE Commissions from other Regts/Corps !

The two above are corrosive elements at the heart of the RAMC who bring with them their total lack of RAMC ethos and who openly promote their previous capbadge.

The lack of single service identity at the DMSTC is ensuring that our junior ranks and in some cases our seniour ranks have no fundamental knowledge of the Corps History and as such are not aware of what type of institution they are becoming a part of.

We havent had a true home identity for over ten years and now its an issue ? or is it a smoke screen for other more pressing matters ?
The above is so true. The RAMC is losing it's identity and I'm sorry to say that soon the RAMC as the old and bold know it will be a thing of the past. I for one will be sorry to see that day come. :cry:

I have to agree with VC's comments about other Major's being TFI from other corps/regts. Having served under a RIR Major in 5 AFA in the late 80's who did not have a clue. Sir, you know who you are. :twisted: I personally feel that the reason for TFI to the corps being your wife was a GP was to say the least a little weak.

We have lost the plot and tri-service medicing is here to stay. Some of you will remember Ex Triple Serpent in the mid 80's at Keogh with regard to the future make up of the medical services.

Long live the RAMC


fastmedic
 

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