Holocaust Memorial in Westminster - to open in 2024

I'm sorry, but with the economy circling the drain, this is no time to spunk £75 Million up the wall of a memorial. No matter how worthy the cause.
Especially as we already have a memorial to the 50,000 blokes who died smashing the architects of the holocaust to pieces. I see that was vandalised again recently, no doubt by the usual suspects.
 
Why is this one genocide more important than all the others in modern history ? in terms of scale the crimes of communism dwarf the holocaust.
Maybe the Anti Semites and Commies in the Labour Party need reminded, as do some of these left wing teachers.
The you have Londonstan, full of foreigners that don't know the history of Britain and have a slanted view on history. These people need reminding just how crappy the world can be when you let dictators run the country.

I dread to think how crap the UK would be just now if Corbyn had ever become PM.

Then you have twats like this driving around London (These people should be imprisoned)
 
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diverman

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Why is this one genocide more important than all the others in modern history ? in terms of scale the crimes of communism dwarf the holocaust.
I think because it was on an industrialised scale, involving members of the German population and their helpers in the countries they conquered.
 
Good idea, but quite what makes a somewhat rusty tribute to Sidney Opera House resonant of the Holocaust, I'm not exactly sure.

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Similar to the crap door for coppers at the Arboretum, the symbolism is so far up it's own chuff that the architect should be beaten with a big stick to discourage any further twattery.
It looks like a toast rack on steroids.

One of the alternatives looked like a flying saucer that had crashed into a hillside. A bulk of it looked unsupported and not something that I would want to walk under.

If they are going to build a memorial then can't it be something a bit more respectful and relevant? And cheaper?
 

Cloth ears

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Personally I see this as a left over part of the EU's great rewrite of European history and re-education agenda. As a nation we have not taught British history in schools for decades. children know more about the history of the USA and Russia than their own and I see this as a continuation of that.

For the EU the Holocaust and Holocaust guilt has to be shared so it wasn't just hanging over the poor Germans. Let's be honest the other nations of Europe joined in very quickly and couldn't transport their own Jews, Gypsies and Untermensch quick enough.

Oh hang on - there was one ... yes, Great Britain. Our history is different to the rest of Europe.

European question: Why do the British go on about the war still?

British answer: Because unlike the rest of Europe we were on the winning side.

Before any one bangs on about how Russia won it. Great Britain, her Empire and Commonwealth paid through the nose in blood and treasure to fighting Fascism. We came away from WWII bankrupt and exhausted followed by a long retreat from empire and the world stage.

The USA came out of it ten times richer than it started and became a new world power (at our expense). Russia came out of it also as a new world power and were left controlled large parts of Europe. We got nothing.

Leave the Holocaust guilt to the guilty and stick the memorials in Europe where they belong.
 
I think objections are about the design and in particular, the location. It's a nice park (incidentally I'd often take my lunch there for a break from the office) which also includes a small memorial to a heroic deed in late 1940 when teams of council engineers and contractors repaired the Embankment wall there during a German attempt to flood Westmintser during High Water Spring tide. Westminster Council have hundreds of memorials to maintain, and in this case, protect. This memorial will completely overtake this park.

@mrdude - where are the Left trying to whitewash the Holocaust?
 
I think objections are about the design and in particular, the location. It's a nice park (incidentally I'd often take my lunch there for a break from the office) which also includes a small memorial to a heroic deed in late 1940 when teams of council engineers and contractors repaired the Embankment wall there during a German attempt to flood Westmintser during High Water Spring tide. Westminster Council have hundreds of memorials to maintain, and in this case, protect. This memorial will completely overtake this park.

@mrdude - where are the Left trying to whitewash the Holocaust?

The left still seem keen on a final solution...

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I dread to think how crap the UK would be just now if Corbyn had ever become PM.
Yeah, could you imagine the funless miseryscape? Socialising banned, travel prohibited, pubs shut, no sport, neighbours dobbing each other to the feds, state sanctioned brainwashing, mandatory worship of a state sector, state endorsed historic guilt, enforced subjugation to whatever whimsical bullshit that has been dreamt up by the politburo, being herded by all controlling phone apps, 24/7 propaganda, businesses wrecked and an economy irreparably destroyed. Yeah... could you imagine it?
 
Yeah, could you imagine the funless miseryscape? Socialising banned, travel prohibited, pubs shut, no sport, neighbours dobbing each other to the feds, state sanctioned brainwashing, mandatory worship of a state sector, state endorsed historic guilt, enforced subjugation to whatever whimsical bullshit that has been dreamt up by the politburo, being herded by all controlling phone apps, 24/7 propaganda, businesses wrecked and an economy irreparably destroyed. Yeah... could you imagine it?
On the plus side, plenty of career opportunities in the People's Milita.
 
I think objections are about the design and in particular, the location. It's a nice park (incidentally I'd often take my lunch there for a break from the office)
Yes, indeed.
It's not exactly on the tourist trail despite its location and I doubt whether many apart from Holocaust memorial chasers* will go out of their way to view it. So it not an unreasonable assumption that many people seeing it will not be new viewers

I much prefer the poignant Kindertransport Memorial in its apt location at London's Liverpool Street Location

* who might have their work cut out visiting all the memorials.

List of Holocaust Memorials
 

Themanwho

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Before any one bangs on about how Russia won it. Great Britain, her Empire and Commonwealth paid through the nose in blood and treasure to fighting Fascism. We came away from WWII bankrupt and exhausted followed by a long retreat from empire and the world stage.

Leave the Holocaust guilt to the guilty and stick the memorials in Europe where they belong.
You get a like for the bold above, but British history is taught extensively (my wife's a History teacher). And I have no problem with a memorial to the Holocaust in London, one of the true evils of the 20th century.

Similarly I think we should have a memorial to slavery, perhaps by Admiralty Arch depicting a Matelot cutting the manacles from a slave he's freed...

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Themanwho

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I doubt you’d find a history teacher in schools these days that could talk about it without trying to link it the the Arab Israeli inflict. They’d decouple the link between German support and the Nazi (I doubt you’d Find scourge of the Swastika in any school library)
My wife for one can. She's also got a copy of Mein Kampf in her classroom...

We both visited Belsen several times when living in Fallingbostel and she is as much of a history addict as I am. Her view of the German peoples' complicity in the Holocaust is informed and somewhat robust.

I think you do a disservice to teachers, I'm sure that there are some who teach as you describe but by no means all are of that ilk.
 

diverman

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My wife for one can. She's also got a copy of Mein Kampf in her classroom...

We both visited Belsen several times when living in Fallingbostel and she is as much of a history addict as I am. Her view of the German peoples' complicity in the Holocaust is informed and somewhat robust.

I think you do a disservice to teachers, I'm sure that there are some who teach as you describe but by no means all are of that ilk.
I do wonder if the German mindset persists, that you are either a collaborator or untermenschen, no other state exists.
 
I do wonder if the German mindset persists, that you are either a collaborator or untermenschen, no other state exists.

No. That mindset died with that generation, of whom there are now very few left.
 

Joker62

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About time to, and I have no idea why Westminster council rejected this?
Beacuse they were too busy spending 2Mn on this blight on the landscape!
 

4(T)

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In addition to the fact - IMHO - that this monument is inappropriate and unwelcome in every conceivable context, I see that the design includes a very large underground "learning centre".

Presumably this implies the excavation and destruction of a large volume of archaeology in the most ancient part of London. How on earth can this be considered a fair and legitimate cultural loss as the price of yet another gash modernistic art project?
 
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