Holland - why no CWGC cemeteries?

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  1. I have just browsed the CWGC website and the summary of those graves for which the Commission cares and their location.

    Summary - the link is bottom right

    Holland is noticeable by its absence!

    There is probably a good explanation, but my father assures me that he fought his way across Holland in 44/45 - and they took casualties.

    Does anyone know why Holland does not have any CWGC cemeteries?

  2. Strange, I am sure I went to one about 5 days ago!

    There is definetly one in Arnheim.
  3. I think you will find Casualties under Netherlands

    British - 1392
    Canada - 32
    Australia - 4
    New Zealand - 4
    Polish - 73
    Dutch - 8
    Non War Graves - 3
    Unidentified - 246

    Following the Normandy landings of June 1944, the Allied advance through northern Europe was extraordinarily rapid and on 11 September 1944, the Second Army entered the Netherlands just south of Eindhoven, the first Allied troops to set foot in the country since its fall in May 1940. Their next aim was to cross the Rhine before the Germans had time to reorganise after their recent setbacks, securing crossings over the rivers and canals that stood in their path at Grave, Nijmegen and Arnhem. 'Operation Market Garden' would involve the United States 82nd and 101st Airborne Divisions, the Commonwealth 1st Airborne Division and the Polish Parachute Brigade. On 17 September 1944, the 1st Airborne Division began landing west of Arnhem, but German resistance, bad weather and problems with supplies and reinforcements led to heavy losses, and their objectives were not taken. They were forced to form a perimeter at Oosterbeek which they held stubbornly until 25 September, when it was decided to withdraw the remnants of the division across the lower Rhine. Arnhem Oosterbeek War Cemetery contains the graves of most of those killed during the September landings, and many of those killed in later fighting in the area. There are now 1,678 Commonwealth servicemen of the Second World War buried or commemorated in the cemetery. 246 of the burials are unidentified and two casualties are commemorated by special memorials. There are also 73 Polish burials and eight Dutch graves. The three non-war graves in the cemetery were Commission employees.


    Arnhem is in the eastern Netherlands. Oosterbeek lies 7 kilometres west of Arnhem on the road to Wageningen. From the Utrechtseweg, turn on to the Stationsweg heading for Oosterbeek Station. At the railway station, turn right on to Van Limburg Stirumweg. The entrance to the cemetery is a short distance along this road opposite the town cemetery.


    Flight Lieutenant David S.A.Lord VC DFC 271 Squadron Royal Air Force

    - Killed 19th September 1944, age 30.
    - Son of Samuel Beswick Lord, and of Mary Ellen Lord, of Wrexham, Denbighshire.
    - VC Citation:

    "On September 19th, 1944, Flt. Lieut. Lord was pilot and captain of an aircraft detailed to drop supplies to our troops, who were closely surrounded at Arnhem. For accuracy this had to be done at 900 feet. While approaching the target at 1,500 feet the aircraft was severely damaged and set on fire. Flt. Lieut. Lord would have been justified in withdrawing or even in abandoning his aircraft but, knowing that supplies were desperately needed, he continued on his course. Twice going down to 900 feet under very intense fire, he successfully dropped his containers. His task completed he ordered his crew to abandon the aircraft, making no attempt himself to leave. A few seconds later the aircraft fell in flames, only one of the crew surviving. By continuing his mission in a damaged and burning plane, twice descending to 900 feet to ensure accuracy, and finally by remaining at the controls to give his crew a chance of escape, Flt. Lieut. Lord displayed supreme valour and self-sacrifice."
  5. Litotes there is a cemetery at Osterbeek in Arheim for the Paras etc killed in action there in 1944. Very moving cemetery visited it a few years ago.
    Contains the grave of one VC winner I saw, RAF pilot killed with his crew as he dropped supplies to the hard pressed defenders of the Arnheim area.
    Not sure of any other cemeteries though.
  6. Yes theirs a few in Holland but as has been said under Netherlands, all niclet maintained, a few years back two dutch scrotes spray painted the one at Nijmegen, well the shite really hit the fan, and the locals found and handed over the two scrotes, scrotes punished, and locals paid to have the graves repaired. The Dutch really do respect the fallen, very rare for that to happen
  7. oldbaldy

    oldbaldy LE Moderator Good Egg (charities)
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    My uncle is buried in Holland but in a village church cemetary near where he was shot down.
  8. Now, why didn't I think of that?

    Litotes displays his absolute ignorance to the whole world via the worldwidewebthingy. It is a little known fact that he auditioned for the role of Homer on The Simpsons Movie, but was considered to be too stoopid.... :oops: :oops:

  9. I was talking to a Cloggy and his wife about this a while ago. They told me that in their town, near Deelen, the graves of Allied airmen are tended by the locals, and have been since the war. The school children of the area also lay flowers, and are taught why the graves are there. They probably have a better idea and more respect than some of the kids in the UK.
  10. ugly

    ugly LE Moderator

    I went to the Oosterbeek one in 1979. My Grandad was buried in the village where his plane came down in Holland but the CWGC dug him up and moved him and his mates to germany. There should be no Canadian graves (Army) in Germany, according to my Gt Uncle General Crerar refused to leave his men in Germany. The RCAF fliers on the otherhand had no choice asthe Air Ministry took over! The Canadian Bomber Group was disbanded very quickly after the war and the squadrons only reactivated in the 1960's and 70's.
  11. War graves are indeed well looked after and cared for by the Dutch. I worked for a Dutch council for fifteen years plus and every year the graves are spruced up ready for remembrance day by the lads who look after the cemetery. Vets are welcomed into the village and given a place to stay. This was a small little village out in the back of nowhere but that don't make no difference.
    Also in the woods near where lived and where we walked our dogs there is a small, artificial clearing where a large piece of rock has been placed with an inscription to the gallant crew of an RAF plane (I think a Lancaster) that had the misfortune to be shot down and crash at that very spot.
    So the Cloggies do respect those who gave their all and those I have spoken to seem to be really grateful and humble about it.
  12. They are also very respectful here in Belgium mate! :wink:
  13. Sorry this is in Dutch lads,but here are all the CWGC cemeteries in the Netherlands.There are also many men buried in small civil cemetaries (mostly airmen) who are not on this list. And yes, we do have a deep respect for those who gave their lives for us and our freedom. You can witness this yourselves when you walk the yearly held Airborne March at Oosterbeek.


  14. Did a tour, were the guides took an old Lady to a Dutch Village, her fiancee who had just proposed to her the Day before he flew, was shot down and killed in this village, along with all the crew, still to this day the villagers hold a memorial to these men, the video of her seeing his grave etc, still brings tears to my eyes.

    Great people the dutch, and yes Banjo the Belguims too, stayed in Wipers, menin gate etc
  15. There are several CWGC cemeteries in the Netherlands as well as graves in communal cemeteries.

    We run two pilgrimages a year to the Netherlands to visit Cemeteries and Memorials. One in April and the second will be in August, which is fully booked. These tours visit Groesbeek and Oosterbeek as well as the Reichswald and Rhineberg cemeteries in Germany. We will help pilgrims to visit any grave or memorial in the Netherlands. More information here:http://www.remembrancetravel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=tour.view&id=19

    We do have places on our battlefield tour to the Op Market Garden sites. The tour is 14-17 September 2007. More information here;http://www.remembrancetravel.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=tour.view&id=108