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Holding the Police to Account

Discretion has always been an element of Policing, but it needs to be applied with care and without prejudice, in particular, in cases where actions have been unintentional. Heavy handed policing should not be condoned, and is almost inevitably counter productive and a sign of ignorance and incompetence.

Discretion should never however be made in cases where there is intentional lawbreaking. By all means choose where and when a response is made, this is basic tactics, but there must always be a response sooner or later. The Police must not be allowed to choose to ignore crime and a decision to not to act must never be the final action.

Let’s hope that the government choose to provide us with enough cops to uphold and enact that noble aspiration.
 

HE117

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Make Misogny a Hate Crime

This will cheer you up. A campaign to make Misogny a Hate Crime by the woke brigade. It also ilustrates the thinking that if they just make a law then the problem is solved. No thought about how the police are going to investigate and enforce that law and the resources needed. Or even defining what constitutes misogny?

In the case of the two women in the article there were already long established laws such as assault and theft to prosecute the offenders. With a sentence in the upper part of the scale to take account of the homophobia.
"Make Misandry a Hate Crime"...
 

HE117

LE
Let’s hope that the government choose to provide us with enough cops to uphold and enact that noble aspiration.
... or stop writing bouncing blank cheques into the criminal justice system?
 

HE117

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During the Blair years in the early 2000's the government was knocking out so many new laws that the police wern't aware of most of them. Blair thought that if you just made a new law, that was it, problem solved. No thought to how police can actually enforce those laws. It didn't help that the Met got rid of training days and it all devolved into a one hour computer based tick box exercise.
A cause of this was the replacement of conventional statute with enabling Acts in the Blair years..

A conventional Act contains the purpose and powers of the Act within the body of the document. All the content of the Act is subject to full scrutiny by both houses of Parliament and cannot be changed except by going back to the house.

Enabling Acts are simply empowering acts which contain almost no content, but authorise a set of regulations. The problem here is that the regulations can be changed on the authority of ministers, and do not have to go back to the house, hence avoiding all the messy debate and associated expense...!

The purpose of this change was to allow much faster passage of legislation through the houses as most of the enabling acts contain nothing that can be debated about. Much of the argument for doing this was to allow us to align with EU law, which as I have explained before works on a completely different basis to UK law. It does however move a huge amount of power from the house to the government and civil service and has resulted in a mushrooming of legislation over the past couple of decades.

The problem is however that the politicians and the civil servant have found it much easier to produce "quick fix" legislation to appease a current issue or pander to some noisy pressure group, and rather than use the new structure for enabling EU directives and other guff, have used it for introducing some of the worst knee jerk legislation ever seen on the UK books...

Some of it is truly appalling.. incoherent, badly drafted, and creating all sorts of unintended consequences, which would never have been allowed on the books under the old system.

Just to cheer up your day.. they also allowed the devolved authorities to play the same game... it is not going to end well...!
 
Wow, Northants plod are really on the ball! Sherlock Holmes must be envious of their deductive powers.

'Police are asking anyone with information about other unlicensed music events taking place to get in touch.

'Common signs of such events include:

  • Posters or messages advertising a rave
  • Cropped bolts on gates
  • People in cars or vans stopping to look into a field or climbing over fences into fields
  • Flattened or disturbed hedgerows
  • Anyone acting suspiciously
'Anyone with any information about future events is asked to contact Northamptonshire Police on 101 or report it online via the "Do It Online" button at www.northants.police.uk.'

 
Wow, Northants plod are really on the ball! Sherlock Holmes must be envious of their deductive powers.

'Police are asking anyone with information about other unlicensed music events taking place to get in touch.

'Common signs of such events include:

  • Posters or messages advertising a rave
  • Cropped bolts on gates
  • People in cars or vans stopping to look into a field or climbing over fences into fields
  • Flattened or disturbed hedgerows
  • Anyone acting suspiciously
'Anyone with any information about future events is asked to contact Northamptonshire Police on 101 or report it online via the "Do It Online" button at www.northants.police.uk.'


I can't comment really on Northants but - I will remind you though - we do live in a society where McDonalds feel the requirement to put "warning hot liquid" on their coffee cartons and hot apple pies.

One thing I've learned the past year or so is - never underestimate the stupidity or naiviety of people. We are largely serving or ex-forces on here. The forces provide a filter and a safety net. When I left the mob it took me quite a while to realise - people who I never thought actually existed outside of bullshit Jeremy Kyle reality shows actually existed in real life...and were considered functioning adults.

Somewhere in the country now will be a 21 year old mother of 4 staring open mouthed at her 6 year old daughter's mobile phone that has just had pictures of a dick sent to it on instachat. She will be genuinely wondering what to do and...her first course of action will be to try and engage in a text argument with the sender and then ask her facebook bubble for advice. Meanwhile- her 6 year old daughter will still have her phone. In about a week- she will maybe call the police. It will take her sister- who has called police 3 times the past month already about being called a trout on Facebook to actually suggest to her is probably the best course of action. Same sister is equally as likely to suggest "no point calling the police -they did feck all when her from number 14 said I was a slag on facebook".


*I was correct in my prediction yesterday also- first tranche of 9's I took were indeed scrotes asking for updates on when they could get their siezed property back or - had forgotton their bail dates and...lost the letter...or noisy neighbours then adding 'sounds like they are arguing' - officers turn up to find Mabel just about to go to bed after a few family had sung happy birthday for her 80th...etc. Think it was about 01:00 til 'shit got serious' and NPAS lifted for something.
Out of say 4000 calls per day - 1800-1900 will be 999 calls. Probably around 100 of those will actually consitute life or death emnergencies or an ongoing serious crime. The rest- and I'm I'm not exagerrating...will be trivial shit like taxi drivers reporting someone is 90p short of their fare and cannot pay...neighbours opposite might be having a party...Ongoing domestics...can hear lots of shouting...most cases (thankfully) turns out to be verbal only but -many many people have 999 on their trigger finger as an automatic reaction now. Mrs McChav wont try and reason with her partner - she will just phone 999 "to teach him a lesson".
Then there are the 'dropped 9's' - abandoned 999 calls (BT operator will connect to police if no request for service is made or anything ambiguous is heard). Everyone thinks from the media 999 is plagued with hoax calls - yes they do happen- there are indeed 'regulars' and a BT ban can be quickly arranged on the number. The biggest cause of false 999 calls thgough is...people who are so trigger happy 999'ing...they often press it by accident on their recent calls list- or their kids do when playing with the phone. What further complicates it is...even if nothing is heard on the call and...(in many cases it is the case) that phone number has been connected with a recent domestic- officers are still going to the address connected to that phone or- if coordinates on phone data are pinpoint- are going there. Could be easily mitigated when we call back first and they assure us everything is ok and- give their correct details but - the majority will realise what they have done and simply reject the call- thus promting a response in many cases.

That's the level we are actually at for a large part of the population. What seems blatently obvious to us on here will genuinely perplex a significant part of our population that have had an upbringing of Kardasians and 'Loose women'.
 
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This video camera footage of police in NSW Australia arresting an unconscious man concerns me. Yes he is a big unit, a professional athlete, he is what used to be called "drunk and incapable" and the police's primary concern should be for his welfare. From the very beginning the police to me seem to be aggressive and overbearing. perhaps some of the currently serving officers could comment and give their views on how they see it.

Interesting one. Bear in mind it is Australia so a totally different approach to the UK. He obviously was not compos mentis, my approach would have been to ensure his safety, you can't leave him there to sleep it off, consider the ramifications if he choked on his own vomit, or was assaulted.

Approach the situation with a commonsense consideration of the situation. A bloke is out cold; having a light shone in his eye's, his ear lobe pinched, and loud voices demanding things of him is not going to result in a good out come. Pushing an arm away, in what looked like a relatively non-violent manner, is, in my opinion, the reasonable act of a person who is shit faced unconscious and placed in that situation. It s the sort of desperate charge that an officer throws in there if they are trying to have a go. With drunks it goes one way, or the other, approach them quietly and gently and they will be quiet and gentle, go in loud and heavy and they react similarly - you never know, he may just have lost his job, or lost someone close to him.

I forget the number of times we hoovered up sleeping drunks in the city, placed them in a cell overnight and let them out in the morning - without breakfast. Breakfast you had to account for which meant they would have needed to be charged.
 
It could work, and could work a lot better if we also have a complete overhaul of shitty attitudes from certain sections and age group of society including middle class c@nts who think that they are just as special .......and a return to the BFO Stick , increased use of Tazer and Pepper Spray and any Cop who is hesitant to use these items or doesn't use them enough, to be given a stern talking to.

.... also deploy a 100 or so Nigerian Mopol for say 3 months to every city on an exchange visit and allow dem to do de policing dey way sah

I still think there is scope for an additional national police force along the lines of the French Gendarmarie National, or German Bundespolizei. They should be recruited entirely from members of HM Forces who have some minimum period in service with a minimum rank qualification, ie., either an actual Cpl, or holding the qualification for.

Have them doing the motorways, ports, airports, buildings and premises owned, run and inhabited by central govt./civil service, and foreign consulates & embassies in the UK - which could extend to British embassies abroad support the CP teams (the Bundespolizei have a role for this). They should be state of the art public order trained and equipped being able to act as a QRF for county forces. There would also be scope to employ them in roles and functions which ordinarily seem to see the Met taking responsibility for national issues such as terrorism, CTSFO's and the like. leaving the Met to concentrate on, well, the Met.

Just my 2 pence worth.
 
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I still think there is cope for an additional national police force along the lines of the French Gendarmarie National, or German Bundespolizei. They should be recruited entirely from mebers of HM Forces who have some minimum period in service with a minimum rank qualification, ie., either an actual Cpl, or holding the qualification for.

Have them doing the motorways, ports, airports and buildings and premises owned, run and inhabited by central govt./civil service. They should also be state of the art public order trained and equipped being able to act as a QRF for county forces. There would also be scope to employ them in roles which seems to see the Met taking responsibility for national issues such as terrorism, CTSFO's and the like. leaving the Met to concentrate on, well, the Met.

Just my 2 pence worth.


No PTSD driven and excusable violence at anyone who even looks at them in a snotty way, let alone chops off in their face? ..no chance for any violent ex cons to redeem themselves by joining this fine body of men or super butch/super dyke women?

I'm thinking of a unit that when they arrive scum move the feck away

Pah!
 
No PTSD driven and excusable violence at anyone who even looks at them in a snotty way, let alone chops off in their face? ..no chance for any violent ex cons to redeem themselves by joining this fine body of men or super butch/super dyke women?

I'm thinking of a unit that when they arrive scum move the feck away

Pah!

I think it is doable. Consider how long the training would be for such officers. They would need general police training, followed by the same training that British Transport Police receive, throw in a few weeks specialist public order training, firearms training, police driver training. A huge investment per body, but it gives time to observe and weed out those who would fail to make the grade.

My cousins hubby in Germany is a senior copper, his training took 3 years, not because he is stupid, but because he chose the academic route where they train them to the standard of a degree in policing qualified for promotion to the highest level. The other method of entry they have is similar to an apprenticeship with college attendance thrown in and takes 2 to 2.5 years - this is for the less academic and offers less future promotion prospects. Either, or, both routes of entry give the powers that be plenty of time to look at and consider the future of any and all prospective police officers - allowing plenty of time for attitude modification if needed.
 
Let’s hope that the government choose to provide us with enough cops to uphold and enact that noble aspiration.

I feel for you, but with all the covid debt, ontop of the other debt, I think that is not likely to happen anytime soon.
 
I think it is doable. Consider how long the training would be for such officers. They would need general police training, followed by the same training that British Transport Police receive, throw in a few weeks specialist public order training, firearms training, police driver training. A huge investment per body, but it gives time to observe and weed out those who would fail to make the grade.

My cousins hubby in Germany is a senior copper, his training took 3 years, not because he is stupid, but because he chose the academic route where they train them to the standard of a degree in policing qualified for promotion to the highest level. The other method of entry they have is similar to an apprenticeship with college attendance thrown in and takes 2 to 2.5 years - this is for the less academic and offers less future promotion prospects. Either, or, both routes of entry give the powers that be plenty of time to look at and consider the future of any and all prospective police officers - allowing plenty of time for attitude modification if needed.


Nope, no general Police training just the ability to move a large group of passive aggressive arrseholes that are preventing and intimidating job public, going about his/her normal business, from the locale under supervision of a Senior Gruppen Fuhrer and a few others .

If, over time , the requirement for this fine body of peeps is reduced, THEN we offer them training for a role as a normal cop.

Give them a simple name like Order Police :)
 
Nope, no general Police training just the ability to move a large group of passive aggressive arrseholes that are preventing and intimidating job public, going about his/her normal business, from the locale under supervision of a Senior Gruppen Fuhrer and a few others .

If, over time , the requirement for this fine body of peeps is reduced, THEN we offer them training for a role as a normal cop.

Give them a simple name like Order Police :)

They could also be used in time of war to form police battalions to ensure security in occupied areas behind the lines........oh.

Are we talking Hugo Boss uniforms here?
 

lastcolonial

Old-Salt
Daughter of one of 0A's acquaintances:
22 years old
5ft 1''
8.5 stone wringing wet
Went to Uni, scraped a degree in Criminology
Alienated all those she shared a house with, repeatedly being told to leave accommodation due to behaviour
The only person I know who left Uni with no friends
Has no friends at all
Lost her virginity to the pizza delivery boy (shagged him, chucked him out, microwaved the pizza)
Has never had a steady boyfriend
Uses Tinder to access one night stand sex, doesn't want any commitment
Has no presence or discernible people skills

And where has she found her berth in life?

Yup, the Met.

A photo arrived recently on 0A's FB feed of her in the full kit. She looked utterly ridiculous, the belt kit looked like it was made for someone twice her size plus her penchant for trowelling on the slap makes her look like a five dollar hooker in a Baghdad brothel.

As far as she's concerned, the quicker she's Taser trained the better as she then won't have to actually deal with a situation, she'll simply go straight to Tazer.

And that, my friends, is a fair example of the calibre of the candidates that are being on-boarded to the illustrious Metropolitan Police (insert other forces services). We are truly fcuked...
Really......I think that you need seriously looking at..........and those that present to be your friends.
 

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