HMS Plymouth to be scrapped in Turkey

Bubbles_Barker

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It was but was open for visits at Birkenhead docks for several years but has been allowed to deteriorate by the current owners (Peel Ports).

Despite their claims they have persistently blocked all efforts to do something positive with the ship.

My bold - and every owner before them apart from the RN!

HMS Plymouth is the main reason we strongly resist the sale of HM Ships to private ownership rather than scrapping.
 
Proof positive (unfortunately) that if you want to make a warship museum a success it has to be part of a larger whole and with all due respect to Birkenhead, somewhere your average tourist is likely to go.
 

Emsav

RIP
RIP
It looks as if she is going to be beached at Aliaga, being towed "dead ship" by the Polish owned AHT Amber II at 4.9knots. ETA Aliaga 7th September 0800 UTC
 

Ravers

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All these campaigners who try and get these ships preserved for the nation, don't actually realise that keeping a warship grey as opposed to brown, requires an Army (Er...Navy) of dabbers chipping and painting everyday.

Can't speak for Type 12s but on a 42 you have 280 ish bods. At some point everyone will pick up a brush, even the skipper. At least 100 of the crew from the warfare department will spend 8+ hours of everyday chipping away rust and painting or doing other upperdeck maintenance tasks. That's just to keep it looking nice, that doesn't include the engineers who will be doing maintenance to actually make the thing work.

Despite all this manpower doing fuckloads of work, ships still look like a bag of rusty nails after a few weeks at sea.

As nice as it would be to have a warship permanently open to the public, it's simply not cost effective.
 
All these campaigners who try and get these ships preserved for the nation, don't actually realise that keeping a warship grey as opposed to brown, requires an Army (Er...Navy) of dabbers chipping and painting everyday.

Can't speak for Type 12s but on a 42 you have 280 ish bods. At some point everyone will pick up a brush, even the skipper. At least 100 of the crew from the warfare department will spend 8+ hours of everyday chipping away rust and painting or doing other upperdeck maintenance tasks. That's just to keep it looking nice, that doesn't include the engineers who will be doing maintenance to actually make the thing work.

Despite all this manpower doing fuckloads of work, ships still look like a bag of rusty nails after a few weeks at sea.

As nice as it would be to have a warship permanently open to the public, it's simply not cost effective.

Why not use a grey version of whatever they paint cruise ships with? ive never seen anyone hanging off a bosuns chair on one of those painting
 

CQMS

LE
Plymouth is the last surviving Type 12 and the ship that the Argies signed the surrender on.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dered-sets-sail-time-consigned-scrapyard.html

Despite efforts to preserve the ship the miserable bar-stewards of Peel Holdings have refused to help to save this piece of history. Evidently the ship is in their way of totally destroying Birkenhead docks and turning it into a clone of Chicago and thus having Liverpools waterfront world heritage status revoked.

Shameful on both counts.

(Yes, I am a scouser, and no, I'm not a regular DM reader, they just have some good pictures)


Having any part of Liverpool destroyed can only be a good thing.
 

seaweed

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RIP
Some massive ignorance around about what it costs to set up and maintain an old warship as a visitable museum. When I last went round HMS Belfast there were several areas that needed the chipping hammer and she's in pretty good shape. It costs millions to get HMS Alliance back in trim recently - one could see right through the casing and out the other side in places.
 

Ravers

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Why not use a grey version of whatever they paint cruise ships with? ive never seen anyone hanging off a bosuns chair on one of those painting

When you're off traipsing round some town in your socks and sandals taking phots, hundreds of Philippinos are smashing in the upper deck maintenance jobs. Likewise cruise ships tend to spend half the year being rebuilt.
 
I was on Ruby Princess earlier this year,non stop painting of hull when in port.
 

Bubbles_Barker

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Wait until Lusty is in Hull, or Gibraltar!

They'll need more than an Army/Navy to keep her looking good!
 

Gunner82

War Hero
All these campaigners who try and get these ships preserved for the nation, don't actually realise that keeping a warship grey as opposed to brown, requires an Army (Er...Navy) of dabbers chipping and painting everyday.

Can't speak for Type 12s but on a 42 you have 280 ish bods. At some point everyone will pick up a brush, even the skipper. At least 100 of the crew from the warfare department will spend 8+ hours of everyday chipping away rust and painting or doing other upperdeck maintenance tasks. That's just to keep it looking nice, that doesn't include the engineers who will be doing maintenance to actually make the thing work.

Despite all this manpower doing fuckloads of work, ships still look like a bag of rusty nails after a few weeks at sea.

As nice as it would be to have a warship permanently open to the public, it's simply not cost effective.

The Canadians have done a good job with a flower class corvette, we of course have not preserved any of the ships from the battle of the Atlantic obviously work a day ships lack the glamour of the spitfire,
 

S0I

LE
Why not use a grey version of whatever they paint cruise ships with? ive never seen anyone hanging off a bosuns chair on one of those painting


Because cruise ships regularly dry dock for a sandblast and recoat with thousands of gallons of finest marine epoxy coatings at £185/gal
 

Fire4effect

War Hero
Shame to see her go. Spent a very enjoyable few weeks on her in the mid 80s when she was the Windies Guardship. Looked after royally by the crew. Happy memories


Posted from the ARRSE side of the moon
 

AlienFTM

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The Canadians have done a good job with a flower class corvette, we of course have not preserved any of the ships from the battle of the Atlantic obviously work a day ships lack the glamour of the spitfire,
Not HMS Compass Rose Shirley?
 
. At some point everyone will pick up a brush, even the skipper. At least 100 of the crew from the warfare department will spend 8+ hours of everyday chipping away rust and painting or doing other upperdeck maintenance tasks.

I can see an opportunity to get hundreds of unemployed scousers doing productive work....


Oh no, hang on, my spell-checker has questioned whether it is grammatically correct to have 'work' and 'scouser' in the same sentence.
 

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