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HMS Diana: another continuing utter disgrace

#1
So, sailed into the immediate fallout zone of a planned 60kt (actual 98kt)thermonuclear device and MoD still refuses to accept any liability or that there is a connection between the veterans' health and the tests?

Edit: per The Observer the MoD is contesting the claims using a legal technicality that requires them to be lodged within three years of a diagnosis.

HMS Diana: the ship that went nuclear



http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2236019,00.html
 

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#3
This is typical of any British Government.

These were deaths and illnesses caused by the MOD at the time. They ordered the tests sending these men inton a danger zone with no protection and should face the consequences.

Duty of care is always an afterthought. Pay these men and their remaining families the compo.
 
#4
I still have ringing in my ears Tony Bliars words about modern servicemen volunteering for what they do and therefore should put up or shut up (in as many words) but this just shows what little difference it would make if they were conscripts. In 1956, many if not most of those servicemen were on National Service. They had no choice whatsoever. So whats the excuse now?
 
#5
I am waiting for Jim30 to come on and defend the MoD on this issue.

This episode is just another example of the contempt that the MoD has for members of HMF, and the moral recidivism of senior officers who fool themselves into believing that it is all for the 'greater good' and thus justified.

Nothing will be done, except these people can be added to the long list of Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen who have been betrayed and lied to by their Government and MoD: nuclear test observers, volunteers for 'finding the cure for the common cold' at Porton Down (having nerve agent applied to your skin instead without warning), Gulf War Syndrome, injury compensation, etc, etc.
 
#6
The survivors and families should be paid compensation.

I appreciate that at the time this may have been seen as essential, but I feel sure similar information could have been gathered from a trip to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. At the very least the MoD should admit responsiblity, or whatever group the scientists who would have been running hte experiement were part of.

I notice the scientists who ran the experiments were not volunteering to man the ships. Perhaps they should be contacted if they are still alive.
 
#7
fellas when are you going to get it in your heads politicians don't give a flying f*ck my dad was on op grapple on Xmas island they experienced the same things as mentioned in the above tread a Canberra pilot who was ordered to fly thru the cloud died in the early 70s in Canada i think when the medical people collated all the weird cancers that these blokes had got the common defector was the grapple tests the scumbag politicians will wait till there all dead then pay up (grudgingly)perhaps if the great British public voted with there hearts instead of there thick sculls politicians would listen and do as we ask them as it is they smile when they want your vote then shit all over you when you ask something instead of bitching on here why don't you do something that scares the shit out of the ,write them a shitty letter i do
 
#8
Indeed it is disgraceful - another one from the people who gave you "a land fit for heroes"!

Of course, when I saw "HMS Diana - what a disgrace", for one awful moment I feared that we were to have a new warship named after "that woman"...what a relief.
 
#9
Cuddles said:
Of course, when I saw "HMS Diana - what a disgrace", for one awful moment I feared that we were to have a new warship named after "that woman"...what a relief.
Seconded, the lack of a new good ship Diana does spoil a good joke about "God bless all those who sail in her" though!
 
#10
Indeed and "great loss of seamen" puns are also not required to be forward loaded yet...
 
#12
Dread said:
I am waiting for Jim30 to come on and defend the MoD on this issue.

This episode is just another example of the contempt that the MoD has for members of HMF, and the moral recidivism of senior officers who fool themselves into believing that it is all for the 'greater good' and thus justified.

Nothing will be done, except these people can be added to the long list of Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen who have been betrayed and lied to by their Government and MoD: nuclear test observers, volunteers for 'finding the cure for the common cold' at Porton Down (having nerve agent applied to your skin instead without warning), Gulf War Syndrome, injury compensation, etc, etc.

You just said it for me.

God how I loathe politicians :x
 
#13
I find it amazing that the Navy had the foresight to name a ship after "that woman" before she was even born and then had the good sense to nuke it, before it could turn up in Paris with an arabs hand on the tiller!

Well done the Navy!
 
#14
Airfix said:
Cuddles said:
Of course, when I saw "HMS Diana - what a disgrace", for one awful moment I feared that we were to have a new warship named after "that woman"...what a relief.
Seconded, the lack of a new good ship Diana does spoil a good joke about "God bless all those who sail in her" though!
Alas, a Daring Class Type 45 only accommodates 190 sailors at a time, whereas the fromer Princess of Wales was known to be able to....

Oh, hang on, a writ has just landed in my inbox.
 
#16
Having read all that has been said, I feel a little uncomfortable. This incident did take place in 1956 where values were different especially when it came to "research". There is no report as to the reason for this methodology beyond finding out the effects, and as quite rightly stated the two bombs at the end of WWII should have provided a lot of evidence. Perhaps there was psecific protection that needed to be tested, we do not know. It is very hard to just past failures by todays standards. We should not repeat these mistakes and in the light of what we know now support those affected, but then it was considered the way to do it.
 
#17
this also reminds me of the crap that went on in Porton Down in the 50's and 60's. I can vividly remember the clip from a documentary when they killed a poor RAF National Serviceman by exposing him to a toxin. He died in agony within an hour. The official MoD recruiting film that was used to lure "volunteers" showed a well stocked NAAFI (it was when rationing had just ended and luxuries were just that), a restaurant style canteen, holiday camp style barracks and even a naked WAAF/WRAC coming out of the shower block (hinting that it was unisex and that having sex was on the cards).
 
#18
HMG are total *******.

sadly, nothing surprises me anymore.

perhaps, Brown and his ********* ought to be subjected to "radiation therapy", and msot of the general staff too.......
 
#19
TheSpecialOne said:
this also reminds me of the crap that went on in Porton Down in the 50's and 60's. I can vividly remember the clip from a documentary when they killed a poor RAF National Serviceman by exposing him to a toxin. He died in agony within an hour. The official MoD recruiting film that was used to lure "volunteers" showed a well stocked NAAFI (it was when rationing had just ended and luxuries were just that), a restaurant style canteen, holiday camp style barracks and even a naked WAAF/WRAC coming out of the shower block (hinting that it was unisex and that having sex was on the cards).
Wasn't just service personnel.
The same Porton Down has spent years spraying British cities with various chemical and biological agents to learn about dipersal patterns.
Amongst other things a variant of E-Coli and Cadmium have been sprayed over Norwich, Weymouth, Bristol (or Bath, vague memory)
Its been done from aircraft, dispersed from a ship sailing up and down past Weymouth and with a special device from the back of a Land Rover during the night when people slept.
Whats more they still reserve the right to carry out such experiments whenever they choose (and the right to let the US do it here to)
Its not even secret and they are unrepentant.
 
#20
1stgulfmac said:
Having read all that has been said, I feel a little uncomfortable. This incident did take place in 1956 where values were different especially when it came to "research". There is no report as to the reason for this methodology beyond finding out the effects, and as quite rightly stated the two bombs at the end of WWII should have provided a lot of evidence. Perhaps there was psecific protection that needed to be tested, we do not know. It is very hard to just past failures by todays standards. We should not repeat these mistakes and in the light of what we know now support those affected, but then it was considered the way to do it.
OK - so they can pay up then. Maybe values were different then - but this is NOW.
 

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