HMS Diamond foils F-15 'attack'

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  2. I should hope so. If it didn't then there should be a lot of questions asked and a lot of interviews without coffee.
     
  3. Grumblegrunt

    Grumblegrunt LE Book Reviewer

    if they weren't shot down then it didn't happen - everyone knows that.

    raf regt has the best current airframe kill record - stick them on the IOW ferry in the hormuz straights if you want to terrify the iranians.
     
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  4. Oh a pretend attack!!!! Lets pretend we have a large capable army too.
     
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  5. Big deal. Every time the Army goes on exercise, it defeats the 3rd Shock Army. Probably weekly across the UK/ Germany.
     
  6. "Diamond can track scores of contacts up to 250 miles (400km) away - which gives the ship's company under ten minutes to deal with an F-15 at top speed."

    Technically I suppose a few seconds is under 10 minutes. What sort of cretin writes this garbage?
     
  7. rampant

    rampant LE Reviewer Book Reviewer


    Well an object travelling at a speed of 3,000km/h would take 8 minutes to cover a distance of 400km, however if the aircraft was carrying Harpoon it would need to travel 120 km in order to release the weapon within range (280km) of the target, which would take over 2 minutes, the weapon would then need 19 minutes to reach the target, a total of 21 minutes.
     
  8. Unless they are doing something dastardly like trying to evade detection by flying at low level. I wouldn't put it past Johnny Foreigner.
     
  9. Fang_Farrier

    Fang_Farrier LE Reviewer Book Reviewer


    How about really low level, like a submarine!
     
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  10. Didn't the First Lord say some years ago that "The last thing a ship commander wants is to be engaged in both an AAW and ASW battle at the same time, so we're not going to fit both packages to any one ship"?

    This way the ship's captain can effectively engage one or the other threat, and happily ignore the fact that he's about to get fcuked by the other...
     
  11. Ravers

    Ravers LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    Big ****ing deal.

    We used to 'shoot down' F15s all the time and that was on a 30 year old ship.

    While drunk I might add, we were very drunk.
     
  12. jrwlynch

    jrwlynch LE Book Reviewer

    Oh, they know that, but it costs them: flying low means you burn a *lot* more fuel, which means less time on target and/or less warload.

    Back in 1982 the Argentines had an excellent idea of how far our ships could see, and flew accordingly - but it meant their Skyhawks and Daggers were at the raggedy edge of their endurance (which meant some sorties were aborted because they didn't have enough fuel to search for targets, when ships had moved from their reported positions) and were also limited to typically one or two bombs per aircraft, where Skyhawks flying a more fuel-efficient profile could have hauled three or six bombs apiece.

    And heaven forbid that we should ever put a radar on something that flies, so we can fill in beyond the horizon and datalink that picture back to the ships. We could call it... Airborne Surveillance and Control, perhaps?
     
  13. Yes indeed. If an enemy is clever enough to operate Fast Jets they are probably also clever enough to have an idea how far the T45 can see too. Airborne Surveillance and Control? You mean that thing that will be capability gapped shortly until 2022?
     
  14. To be fair, the Argentines did have a couple if T42's of their own to hone the technique on.

    I suspect the point Tigger is making is that a real world enemy with high end fast movers would be aggressively jamming you and throwing things like HARM at you to put you off your stride.

    ETA: ASaC's par helicopter? Rather a sitting duck downrange for something carrying AIM-120's without fighter cover?
     
  15. Wot he said.