HMS Daring visits San Diego

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  1. [h=1]UK Ambassador: Britain and San Diego benefit from special partnership[/h]
    By Peter Westmacott 5:30 p.m.May 22, 2013
    It is a real privilege to be visiting San Diego for the first time since I became the United Kingdom’s ambassador to the United States last year. And it’s appropriate to be here in the week leading up to Memorial Day, when attention is duly given to the sacrifices made in battle by military men and women.

    Just last week, I accompanied His Royal Highness Prince Harry, an Apache helicopter pilot himself, to the Wounded Warrior Games in Colorado Springs, where injured service members and veterans from the U.S. and UK armed forces competed in Olympic-style games at the U.S. Olympic Training Center, an experience that was both inspiring and humbling.

    Almost seven decades after D-Day 1944, British and American personnel continue to equip, train and deploy together around the world — and at bases across the San Diego area. It is just one of the many bonds between San Diego and the UK.

    The relationship between the U.S. and British armed forces is exceptional. Since the Cold War ended, they have fought alongside one another six times: twice in the Balkans, twice in Iraq, once in Afghanistan and once in Libya.

    It should come as no surprise, then, that we have British sailors, marines and soldiers serving in and around San Diego alongside their American comrades, with units ranging from Naval counter-mine operations to the Marine Aircraft Group based at Camp Pendleton.

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  2. Ravers

    Ravers LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    When did they tow Hawaii to the West Coast of the US mainland then?
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  3. That gave me a laff. 'It will be a reunion of sorts: On her maiden deployment last year, she served with the carrier strike group escorting the USS Carl Vinson, based here since 2010.'

    I'm amazed that HMS 'Daring' could even keep up with 'Carl Vinson' - 'about 29 knots' versus 'about 33 knots'. Must be something to be caught up in the wake of a ship the same size as a British town moving at almost 40 mph...

  4. I went on a run ashore with Captain Cook on Hawaii. It didn't end well.
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  5. seaweed

    seaweed LE Book Reviewer

    San Diego 1968, where, with American assistance, we hoisted the Old Man:

    Our host ship, USS Coontz, signalled a challenge to golf and skydiving. Our Captain didn't spot the joke as he hadn't heard of skydiving so thought the RN ought always to accept a challenge. Ken, the Gunner, was signed up as the skydiver. Father and Ken then somehow simultaneously found out what skydiving really was. Ken insisted on going through with the challenge. The Americans, who had no idea their little joke would work so well, brought off a parachute and Ken had a fitting in the flat outside the Captain's cabin. Father went frantic and started issuing formal orders that no officers were to jump out of any aeroplanes. The Americans announced that there was some difficulty about the aircraft booking. Father was enormously relieved. Ken curled up laughing in his cabin.
  6. questioning the speed of a RN ship?
  7. In my calculations 33 knots beats 29 knots. In any event, knots is a rate of distance over time, not a speed per se. That's why I noted the conversion at the end of my post.

    I'm sure that you, being an astute kind of chap, can figure it out for yourself.

    And for those who have other things to do on a nice day like this one, such as lounging beside the pool while scantily-clad and nubile young ladies pass to and fro with refreshingly cool beverages, here is the calculation all done.

    Calculation #1 - the speed in MPH of HMS Daring at full throttle - given in JATWFS as 29 knots -

    1 knot = a rate of one nautical mile [6080 feet] in one hour.

    29 knots = 176,320 feet per hour.

    Divided by 5280 [the number of feet in a Statute Mile] = 33.393939 miles per hour.

    A similar calculation carried out with the declared maximum speed of the USS Carl Vinson - 33 knots - you can be sure that it can probably go faster than that, in the nature of maintaining military secrecy......

    blah blah blah.....

    38 MPH.

    I rest my case - oh look, here comes another free beverage born by a nicely-wobbling young lady called Veronica...


  8. jrwlynch

    jrwlynch LE Book Reviewer

    Actually, it's a fairly open not-so-secret that VINSON tops out at about 32 knots with a spanner hung on the safety gauge: there are certain laws of physics and hydrodynamics that can't get handwaved away. (Flight ops make her a bit slower because the cats take a lot of steam).

    I don't doubt that if both ships went to "all ahead Bendix" for long enough, the carrier would eventually be slowly edging ahead, but in practice neither often get to their measured-mile maximum, and in realistic ops a 45 is more than able to keep up with a carrier quite comfortably (as DRAGON was with NIMITZ last month). A 42 could also do so (MANCHESTER and TRUMAN in 2008) but the MEO looked a little harassed...
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  9. How long could a T45 run at full speed for ? I'm guessing less than a Nuke power carrier.
  10. Who cares? It just needs to be as fast as the other ships in the CVBG. The carrier is hardly going to steam off on its own, is it?

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  11. Well, after 4 days she'd be clear across the Atlantic at full tilt, where is this putative CVN running off to?
  12. Who says it was escorting a CVN this time?
  13. Surely a knot being one nautical mile per hour is exactly a measurement of speed per se.
  14. It matters not overly how fast for how long the carrier can stream, the limitation is the need for the ship following the carrier.

  15. Moot point we don't have a carrier.