HMS Cornwall's final homecoming

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Ministry of Defence said:
HMS Cornwall returned to HM Naval Base Devonport in Plymouth for the final time yesterday, following a six-month deployment conducting counter-piracy operations east of Suez.

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:( thats very depressing. RIP one of the last proper surface combatants
 
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He's believed the T22 mafia's belief they are "Her Majesties Light Cruiser Squadron" ;) .

The only thing going for the T22 was their Flag embarkation capability; and the fact the Wardroom had their own galley was a bit of a bonus as well. In every other respect the T22 is as poor as the T23 for Surface Warface (and indeed Anti-Air Warfare).
 
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Ahh, I can see there might be scope for a bit of banter on this thread!

Ironic though, that both T22 and T23 have more anti-surface capability than T45, as-is!
 

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He's believed the T22 mafia's belief they are "Her Majesties Light Cruiser Squadron" ;) .

The only thing going for the T22 was their Flag embarkation capability; and the fact the Wardroom had their own galley was a bit of a bonus as well. In every other respect the T22 is as poor as the T23 for Surface Warface (and indeed Anti-Air Warfare).
I hear the lads on 22s also have a floor buffer for getting the flats really nice and shiny. No peeling skin from quickstrip burns and scrubbing out on their hands and knees for them.

Proper luxury. Like being on a cruise ship they are. Safers.
 
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Ahh, I can see there might be scope for a bit of banter on this thread!

Ironic though, that both T22 and T23 have more anti-surface capability than T45, as-is!
Well something has to be scrapped in order to donate the Harpoon launchers and CIWS to complete Type 45's armament......
Is that true, or just a cynical observation?
I just made it up.

However T45 is fitted for but not with Harpoon, the same for Phalanx.
The ships currently being decommisioned will conveniently have their harpoon launchers to donate. I think the Type 22's have Goalkeeper rather than Phalanx though? Conveniently the Type 42's are armed with Phalanx.

Its not unreasonable to think that the Type 45's will be armed with 2nd hand weapons systems salvaged from ships scheduled to be decommisioned this spring.
 
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He's believed the T22 mafia's belief they are "Her Majesties Light Cruiser Squadron" ;) .

The only thing going for the T22 was their Flag embarkation capability; and the fact the Wardroom had their own galley was a bit of a bonus as well. In every other respect the T22 is as poor as the T23 for Surface Warface (and indeed Anti-Air Warfare).
Nothing of the sort - T22's look steelier, therefore are steelier. It follows on from the aircraft 'looks right, flies right' thing. PLUS bigger complement IS better for DC/FF you must admit? In fact bigger overall is better for soaking damage, PLUS separating weapons systems does mean not everything gets knocked out with one hit for'ard of the bridge....

see, I do have SOME reasons ;)


PS. I was once told by a Merlin Obs that T22's had a limited armour belt? On a scale of 1-10 how much shit was he talking?
 
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Nothing of the sort - T22's look steelier, therefore are steelier. It follows on from the aircraft 'looks right, flies right' thing. PLUS bigger complement IS better for DC/FF you must admit? In fact bigger overall is better for soaking damage, PLUS separating weapons systems does mean not everything gets knocked out with one hit for'ard of the bridge....
Anti-ship missiles looking for a nice radar cross-section to lock onto would also agree that bigger is better! ;-)
 
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if 10 was talking out of his hoop, about 20? I mean, he was a Merlin Obs; they can't land on a T22, I doubt he would have spent any time on them (unless he did IST on one) and anyway, he was a WAFU, he probably got confused when having to talk about the Grey Funnel Line...

Yes, your reasons do make sense, pity the kit was pretty arse, the extra manpower was required because the kit was arse (you should've seen the size of a steaming watch across all the Dept's, it was huge, let alone the bollocks outstations at Action), and I would contend that while a Batch 3 might have looked steely, the B1&2 looked appalling.

Anyway, steeliness doesn't save lives, unlike allyness....
 
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Not so long ago the Telegraph was saying that Cornwall and Cumberland were being given a stay of execution because of Libya (mainly because of their C3 capabilitie). Bit of a pisser if you're coming back from deployment and Dangerous Dave decides that you will stay deployed indefinitely....
 
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I just made it up.

However T45 is fitted for but not with Harpoon, the same for Phalanx.
The ships currently being decommisioned will conveniently have their harpoon launchers to donate. I think the Type 22's have Goalkeeper rather than Phalanx though? Conveniently the Type 42's are armed with Phalanx.

Its not unreasonable to think that the Type 45's will be armed with 2nd hand weapons systems salvaged from ships scheduled to be decommisioned this spring.
Why not? The 4.5 is already rather 2nd hand.

Fit the Harpoon launchers off the 22's on the 45's? Will fitting empty launchers make any difference to the warryness?
Anyway, the Yanks are giving up on Harpoon on their DDG's, they find that the main SAM's make a far better anti ship missile - something weighing the best part of a ton hitting you at Mach 4 tends to hurt and is almost impossible to stop.

What's that you say? We've fitted our steely new warships with a SAM that has no anti surface capability? Drat!
 
#17
Not entirely sure your correct there. Yes the kinetic energy of a large missile with a fairly big warhead travelling at speed DOES have its impact (heh heh) but current thinking actually looks more that the fragmentation and fire-starting ability of the missile rather than the bang.

Frag = cut conduits, casualties and fire starting comes from unburnt fuel. Look at the Falklands, how many ships were lost to fire rather than being sunk? If you compare the fuel retained from say an SM2 and an ASTER30 they are pretty similar, plus the sheer speed of ASTER means the kinetic energy will be high enough to cause some pretty nasty penetration.


Regardless of what you say, size most certainly not everything.
 

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