HMS Cornwall in Anti-piracy op

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by Uzbeck, Feb 21, 2011.

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  1. May I ask about convoys? Why not to form caravans of ships guarded by a military vessel?

    Is ot too expensive? Or maybe impractical?

    How to sail in the ice covered waters? Use an ice-breaker.
     
  2. It is my understanding that the area at risk is so huge, the number of merchantmen and the disparity of their routes and destinations and the proportionaly small number of warships preclude the _economic_ use of convoys.

    Ie if it were simply a matter of escorting shipping into the Red Sea it would be easier but those darn Somali's refuse to co-operate. Asking the various merchies to form up in various ports and wait for a warship would drive the cost of doing buisness up more than the cost of paying the odd ransom/PMC to provide security.

    As compared to WW I and II where the losses where staggering and the merchies were could be organised to go from a few discrete ports to another fixed set. So far the Somalis are still inflicting tiny losses comapared to income and there's been very little loss of life.
     
  3. I soppose that if each day at 8am a warship would wait for merchant ships in the known place in the Red sea and escort them to the known place in the Indian ocean then where would be many shipowners who agree to pay a reasonable sum in this case.
     
  4. they'd just hijack them at 6am
     
  5. The meating point could be deep inside the Red sea in the place where Somalian pirates would not come unspotted.
     
  6. can't see it working
     
  7. KGB your talking rubbish i'm afraid. The cost of waiting for a convoy is prohibitive for the merchantmen and in some cases waiting around for months isn't viable due to the nature of the cargo. Cheaper just to pay to insure the vessels.
     
  8. I don't say about months. Convoys could be formed daily. Insurers... Yes, in this case they would lose huge money.

    Edited to add. Of course, it is only a proposition, a matter for discussion.
     
  9. ok so assuming you form a daily convoy, how far would they escort them before turning back? not far and its pointless they'd attack 500 miles further away, escort all the way and you'd need trillions of pounds worth of ships doing nothing but this
     
  10. Well, the turning point could be somewhere beyond the Maldives, where the warship would meat a group of ships ready to sail toward the Red sea.

    Let's count. How many marships would be needed? I'm not an expert. Maybe our friend would help us. Anyway they would be good drills.
     
  11. I don't think they could cover that sort of distance in a day
     
  12. Bouillabaisse

    Bouillabaisse LE Book Reviewer

    Our Russian friend isn't talking too much nonsense this time. There is a PMC setting up to provide specific convoy work for ships, with insurance discounts if you use them.

    All the arguements about merchantmen not waiting around and how far you escort them out is pretty silly too. RN expereince in WW1 and WW2 was that convoys worked and didn't delay shipping too much. But shipowners can't be bothered because the benefit vs risk isn't worth it to them yet.
     
  13. Really? I'm willing to be educated, the current line we've been fed in YO world is just that - cheaper to just pay insurance. Plus, time = money and even a days delay is too much especially when the loss of life isn't that much.

    But like I say, i'm willing to be told otherwise?
     
  14. Bouillabaisse

    Bouillabaisse LE Book Reviewer

    As I said, the risk/benefit doen't stack up for shippers yet - the insurers pay out eventually. But if the answer is that we let large corporations take risks with the lives of their employees then why do we have H&S legislation. My point about convoys is that they work, can be enforced and,as I'm sure Dartmouth still teaches, convoys win if they get through and win if they're attacked.