Historic effective ranges

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  1. Was at the WW1 fort on Mont Vully in Switzerland last weekend, looking at the old emplacements, and one thing struck me on the info boards: in the WW1 period, the Swiss army considered the following effective ranges for infantry armed with the G11 "Langgewehr":

    Single rifleman: 500m
    Sektion (50 men): 1000m
    Kompanie (200 men) or more: 1500m

    Maxim MG11: 2500m

    One inf emplacement for a reinforced company of 300 riflemen would have covered basically up to the lake, with the exception of a few bits of dead ground. At each emplacement are handy maps showing the areas covered by fire from the emplacement. Worth a visit. TBH, 300 riflemen in a fixed position who could all shoot reasonably well could put down 3000 rds per minute with no sweat, which might spoil your day somewhat.

    There's also an 8-MG emplacement in hand-hewn artificial caves that we happened to miss:

    Grottes de la Lamberta - Mont Vully - Position d'artillerie de la guerre 14-18 - YouTube

    Might drag some pictures off Google for illustration.
  2. Part of the Réduit, designed to fire along the front of the position in enfilade:

  3. Fang_Farrier

    Fang_Farrier LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    Have a copy of the 1909 Musketry Regulations, ie the one in date during WW1.

    It gives Range tables for SMLE up to 2,800 yards. It states the extreme range at 3,760 yards!

    That gives a fair area than can be covered.
  4. Battle of Mons 1914 (before Trench Warfare set in)

    At 9:00 a.m., the first German infantry assault began, with the Germans attempting to force their way across the four bridges that crossed the canal at the salient. Four German battalions attacked the Nimy bridge, which was defended by a single company of the 4th Battalion, Royal Fusiliers as well as a machine gun section.

    Advancing at first in close column – "parade ground" formation – the Germans made nearly unmissable targets for the well-trained British riflemen (who were evidently making hits at over 1,000 yards (910 m))[SUP][/SUP] and were mown down by rifle, machine gun, and artillery fire.[SUP][/SUP] Indeed, so heavy was the British rifle fire throughout the battle that the Germans thought they were facing batteries of machine guns.
  5. I imagine they spent more than 1 day per year on the ranges then?
  6. Grumblegrunt

    Grumblegrunt LE Book Reviewer

    they were probably taught marksmanship instead of xbox
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  7. But then, they were armed with the "Langgewehr", the "Seriously Long Rifle" of the day.
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  8. Brotherton Lad

    Brotherton Lad LE Reviewer

    Even in the 80s, you'd spend the best part of 6 weeks building up to the annual week of Skill at Arms with that rifle. The best shots would then be into a summer of competition shooting.
  9. We R. Sigs started in April befor the SAA in Germany before selection for Bisley.

    Rumour was back then that the Gurkas started the week after the last shot went down range on the last AASAA.
  10. QoHldrs had an excellent shooting team and Duty Rumour was that they had no other duties and did no other training but shooting. I suspect a bit of exaggeration through jealousy but they certainly had a damned good team.
  11. For 84 and 86 I and the others on the Reg team spent at least 5 months a year on the ranges. Also as the CO was a shooter and the RQMS was the
    Man in charge we had time, rounds and late returns to camp ment the RQ pre booked "late meals" . Never had a T bone steak before that, but two or three times a week we were better fed than the boxing/skiing/athletics teams.
  12. CanteenCowboy

    CanteenCowboy LE Book Reviewer

    That was issued to you as a recruit, wasn't it?
  13. Schaden

    Schaden LE Book Reviewer

    Don't they still have that 300m competition open to any previously issued Swiss Army rifle?
  14. Ours was an annual fortnight at Lydd and Hythe.

    We shot at least once a month (Sometimes more) at Purfleet.

    More than that in BAOR.

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