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Hillsborough 1444 Bizzies Referred To The IPCC

#2
1,500 people to investigate! Almost 1,500! That's so ridiculous it's laughable. There isn't a law enforcement agency in the UK that could handle that workload within a realistic timeframe (ie: before everyone involved is dead!)
 
#3
1,500 people to investigate! Almost 1,500! That's so ridiculous it's laughable. There isn't a law enforcement agency in the UK that could handle that workload within a realistic timeframe (ie: before everyone involved is dead!)

Not laughable that over fourteen hundred people who held / hold a warrant card are deemed worthy of investigation by their own disciplinary panel?

No? Just me chuckling at the prospect of a wholesale destruction of a constabulary's name. You think that's laughable, wait til you see anyone convicted by a coppers evidence that is found in breach by the IPCC use that fact to cast doubt on virtually anything they ever did in uniform.

That's the scale of this. I bet Bettison and West Yorks are shaking like shitting dogs after his complete humping in the Commons tonight too.
 
#5
1,500 people to investigate! Almost 1,500! That's so ridiculous it's laughable. There isn't a law enforcement agency in the UK that could handle that workload within a realistic timeframe (ie: before everyone involved is dead!)
And that's not counting having to sift through all the vexatious dross that'll be there. Good luck with that one.
 
#6
Were 1,444 (or whatever) cops even on duty that day? Are you suggesting they are all lying crooks? From what I interpret what happened was the cops on duty told the truth and certain senior elements decided to 'remove' certain paragraphs in their statements (to save their own asses obviously) And, I am not joking, there does not exist an organisation big enough to investigate that amount of individuals. Think about it. Oh wait, there might be one ..G4S
 
#7
1,500 people to investigate! Almost 1,500! That's so ridiculous it's laughable. There isn't a law enforcement agency in the UK that could handle that workload within a realistic timeframe (ie: before everyone involved is dead!)
I believe the Civil Service are not recruiting at the moment, due to hard times etc,. So the work will be done by outside "consultants", including lots of lawyers. And it will drag on for years. And what will it prove anyway?

Where does it end, has anybody mentioned Ibrox yet?
 

mercurydancer

LE
Book Reviewer
#9
The tragedy of Hillsborough is in the past and no amount of new inquests will help.

However, perverting the course of justice by S Yorks police is a crime to be investigated and if criminal proceedings take place then all for the good. For the rank and file officers, I have a little more sympathy but they were professionals who knew exactly what a false statement meant. Just because its 25 years later doesnt make it right. The more senior officers who arranged this whole concocted statements affair need jailing.
 
#10
Not laughable that over fourteen hundred people who held / hold a warrant card are deemed worthy of investigation by their own disciplinary panel?

No? Just me chuckling at the prospect of a wholesale destruction of a constabulary's name. You think that's laughable, wait til you see anyone convicted by a coppers evidence that is found in breach by the IPCC use that fact to cast doubt on virtually anything they ever did in uniform.

That's the scale of this. I bet Bettison and West Yorks are shaking like shitting dogs after his complete humping in the Commons tonight too.
Deemed worthy?

You mean 'were on duty.'

Do stop scare mongering. The city of self pity types are already lining the streets, we don't need it on the Internet as well.

People with attitudes like yours are too short sighted to see the implications carpet bombing all the bobbies on duty that day and immediately after has on public confidence in and the morale of the South Yorks Police of today, the vast majority of whom were probably in school in 1989.

You chuckle away. An entire Police Service having its name dragged through the mud thus destroying the many good works it has done over the years is hilarious.

Petulant child. You and those like you are the reason people switch off as soon as a scouser is aggrieved in anyway, particularly if it woz de bizzeys dat dun it.
 
#11
While South Yorkshire police seem to be in the shit over these aleged criminal actions, can we assume that police forces in the rest of the country were not getting up to similar tricks? Or are there lots of coppers around the country praying that no one digs too deep into the cesspit that the SYP seems to have been.
 

Mr_Fingerz

LE
Book Reviewer
#12
Deemed worthy?

You mean 'were on duty.'

Do stop scare mongering. The city of self pity types are already lining the streets, we don't need it on the Internet as well.
No, I don't think that MrSB meant "Were on duty" he meant what he said. The words are plain enough.

What concerns me is that some bright spark will try to take the entire issue forward as the reason why we need a national police force, rather than the structure that we have now, using some farcical "increased accountability" rationale.
 
#14
Deemed worthy?

You mean 'were on duty.'

Do stop scare mongering. The city of self pity types are already lining the streets, we don't need it on the Internet as well.

People with attitudes like yours are too short sighted to see the implications carpet bombing all the bobbies on duty that day and immediately after has on public confidence in and the morale of the South Yorks Police of today, the vast majority of whom were probably in school in 1989.

You chuckle away. An entire Police Service having its name dragged through the mud thus destroying the many good works it has done over the years is hilarious.

Petulant child. You and those like you are the reason people switch off as soon as a scouser is aggrieved in anyway, particularly if it woz de bizzeys dat dun it.
My word you ARE an angry little man aren't you?

Now read my post again and give your ******* head a wobble. The only people doing the carpet bombing are the people who are charged with forwarding names to the IPCC in the rush to be seen to be in action after 23 years of inaction.

As to your next point that was kind of mine too. What you fail to recognise is that we are Policed by consent, something that was forgotten by those who appear to have some shit sticking to them in the whole tawdry affair. Petulant child? The only one with their titty lip out in this thread would seem to be you.
 

Mr_Fingerz

LE
Book Reviewer
#15
@hexitele

If (as you posted) most of SYP are all too young to have been there, collective memory aside, why should they be embarassed by the (in)actions of their predecessors?
 
#20
The police officers on thread seem to fail to appreciate the implication of their comments. Singing the same tune. The chorus of abuse against anyone with the effrontery to hold them answerable. Hardly surprising that when such a morally inferior body of men sing the same tune that the numbers under complaint in any one incident would accrue.

Pc Hills who broke the handcuffed prisoner neck. His colleague Pc Kim Burgess told the court on oath that Hills thought of himself as a Thanet street warrior. And Burgess said on oath "I feared if I told the truth I would have ALL Thanet Police against me"

How many hundred officers involved in that lying peer pressure group ?

It was also interesting to me to read on another thread a police officer write about bollockings from his "Managers".

This was always going to become a problem. The law of the office of constable, which is at the core of the concept of policing by consent, is about officers of the Crown charged with duties. A fragile situation dependent on the moral stature of each sworn constable.

The Home Office strategy, going back decades, was to recruit (impose upon the people) officers who have a concept of obeying orders but no concept or moral determination to be individuals charged with duties. An obedient Gestapo as opposed to a collective body of independent ministerial officers of the Crown.

Sir Robert Mark warned in the early 70s that we no longer recruit the most able but the most malleable to be our police officers to make of them what we will.

I hope there is an Orgreave inquiry too.

And the morale of the current encumbent clones in SYP is of no matter whatsoever.
 

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