There are quite a few people that wouldn’t call in an emergency because they’re not willing to pay for it.Not at all.
The point I'm making is, and it was the comment about expecting free rescue regardless of how much your own decisions contributed to your own situation which I was originally referring to which generated this fork.
If you go out in flip flops and a t-shirt in November to Brecon and then find yourself in need of rescue to stave off exposure, my understanding of the original comment was, you shouldn't expect someone to come and rescue you for free.
My point and I've said this pretty plainly twice now is, by what mechanism do you judge how much someone has contributed to their own misfortune?
If you head out with a map, well heeled and well supplied but then go on to make stunningly poor decision and now are in need of rescue how do you decide that person A is more or less responsible for their predicament than person B?
The secondary point about the NHS charges legislation is *it doesn't deal with that issue*. It simply says the NHS has the legal basis to recoup costs resulting from a road traffic accident *where* someone has needed treatment and that a compensation payment has been made. Hence why that piece of legislation is irrelevant.
I'm not being obtuse, how do you judge someone's emergency as being their own fault or not because they were stupid? That piece of legislation certainly doesn't.
Or to use the other posters approach to the discussion.
Just a geeky point - That Bill (which became the Road Traffic (NHS Charges) Act 1999 was repealed in 2003 and replaced by the provisions of the Health and Social Care (Community Health and Standards) Act 2003 (amended 2006).
The RNLI NEVER charge a fee for rescues (despite the fact that we could, under maritime law, claim salvage for taking a vessel under tow for example) which would go towards covering our costs, for one very simple reason - It puts people off calling for help, until the situation has got even worse, which not only makes the shout more difficult (and time critical) but potentially puts their lives and the lives of the SAR crew at risk.Perhaps I’m being naive, but surely the answer to this is obvious. The emergency services should always bill someone rescued from the hill, and their insurance company administrators can decide whether their actions/equipment/decisions were reasonable.
Personally, I’m not really in favour of it, but I think this would be the only way of making the poorly prepared pay for their rescues.
Both cocaine and meth raise the body temperature and heart rate apparently, making hypERthermia (elevated body temp) more likely. This is distinct from hypOthermia, where the body loses heat faster that it can produce it.Would the drugs have made them more susceptible to hypothermia?
Perhaps I could have been clearer, but I am not arguing for charging people or forcing them to have insurance. I happen to agree with you as I thought I had made clear with my last sentence.National parks for people that can afford insurance? We could keep all the others in camps and make them work too
"While celebrating her 31st birthday with family around 5pm last Sunday, several sources say Jolandi le Roux lost her footing while jumping in the air at the cliff edge of Lookout Point to stage a photograph that would look as if she was leaping over the setting sun.Local story, which is quite sad in a way, but a certain darwinian element to it.
My bold: they don't call it "Colombian Marching Powder" for nothing you know..Speaking of gross stupidity, or even perhaps a suicide pact, take this couple of experienced hikers who died of exposure whilst walking in Wales. Autopsy found Methamphetamine and Cocaine in their bloods.
Aged 49 and 47, with him a farmer it seems an unusual age to be indulging in class A recreational narcotics - especially as outdoors types tend to be cleaner-living.
Strange drugs to take if you're trying to kill yourself too. I would have thought something morphine based would have been more appropriate.
Couple who loved hiking froze to death in below zero conditions during camping trip in West Wales | Daily Mail Online
I particularly liked this bit
No map?I particularly liked this bit
Cairngorm MRT said the pair had "unfortunately" left a rucksack with emergency gear at the base of the crags they had climbed, and had been unable to find their way back to the kit.
I've been laughed at for carrying a map, what you've got that for grandad we can navigate on our smartphone or similarNo map?
. . . . old bloke walks away, shaking head in disbelief . . .
Press a button mentality, and everything's honky dory. Except when it goes pear shaped and they don't have/can't use a map.I've been laughed at for carrying a map, what you've got that for grandad we can navigate on our smartphone or similar
Except that old fashioned maps work where phone signals are weak or non existant and don't run need batteries, same with an effing compass