Hidden KGB Weapons in UK

The_Gremlin

Old-Salt
Nope. Because the Armed Forces would have been busy - either driving to Germany to hold the line against Ivan the Gasman, or guarding all of the KPs that made their logistic support possible. There were no spare troops to be found, anywhere.

That kind of claim tends to come out of the more swivel-eyed tinfoil hat wearer, convinced that "The Establishment" will all have safe spaces in a bunker for themselves and their families, and utterly unwilling to drop a suspicion that the Army (obviously as the joyous fascist bootheel of the Imperialist oppression) would far rather be machine-gunning their own families' refugee convoys than defending the realm or giving the Soviets a good kicking.
I seem to recall the plan that involved stopping the escape of any civilians was discussed at an official civil defence type exercise. It also involved a suggestion about ''using local psychopaths to control civilians'' or words to that effect. That latter suggestion didn't seem to gain much traction at the meeting.
I'm sure these documents are online somewhere. Feel free to Google them.
 

The_Gremlin

Old-Salt
A friend who was in the ROC told me that the head man at his post told him not to both turning up in event of war as he would be in the post with his family.
Until the farmer turned up and killed them with his shotgun..?
 
The thing to remember was that although they looked military(ish) ROC Posts like this were officially completely unarmed and staffed by RAF Civilians. Great store was set on their Non-Combatant Status, officially at least
they used to come to RAF West Raynham on training camp late 80s some of the old boys had serious racks
 

DaveDaffe

War Hero
These pictures bring back memories! I served at North Wales 60 post (actually in Mid Wales). Damp cold post that was and its still intact so I am told but I have never been back to visit.
That cant be a post, there is no stack of old porn magazines!!
 
I seem to fantasise the plan that involved stopping the escape of any civilians was discussed at an official civil defence type exercise. It also involved a suggestion about ''using local psychopaths to control civilians'' or words to that effect. That latter suggestion didn't seem to gain much traction at the meeting.
I'm sure these documents are in my imagination somewhere. Feel free to pull them out of my arse. I did.
FOC
 
As kids in what was an area that would have been on the front line of any Jerry landing and invasion and also in the area where the first fall back anti tank ditch and dragons teeth etc were deployed we had several bunkers around that yielded amounts of .303 and .45 ammo plus other goodies that were quickly confiscated by the adults and no doubt consigned to the farm lake .
In the end we never admitted to any further ammo finds and happily threw it on fires , pulled the heads off and made huge genie's with the contents .
Not sure if these were so called "stay behind" caches or just kit left by the Canadians as they left for the Invasion .
We had complete freedom to wander over our farm and 3 or 4 neighbours farms so ranged over a large area of countryside looking for anything interesting .
 
In fairness I have certainly read somewhere (Peter Hennessy perhaps?) that in a post attack scenario control of civilians (feeding, work parties, discipline etc.) was very much at the whim of the local regional commander, who could take life and death decisions as he saw fit. The use of 'enforcers' to do so, not necessarily, from uniformed backgrounds, was a mooted option.

Never, it must be said, have I read about them being used in a TTW scenario to prevent escape (and nor would I believe it) - only after the bombs had stopped.
 
we had several bunkers around that yielded amounts of .303 and .45 ammo plus other goodies that were quickly confiscated by the adults and no doubt consigned to the farm lake .
In the end we never admitted to any further ammo finds and happily threw it on fires , pulled the heads off and made huge genie's with the contents
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I grew up in NYC

the 2 houses to my grans left were owned by the same man who made the place a junkyard. filled with cars from the 40-50's and all manner of worthless crap. Anyway around 1974 NYC sent workers to clean it out as it had a rat infestation.

Anyhow some of us kids explored and found big round cans of bullets, literally thousands of the Bullets
I had one and when you shook it "Smoke" came out. So I chucked it in granpas vise outside the garage and proceeded to take a 5LB Maul to the casing. It split open and My Neighbor a WW2 Marine was whitefaced when he saw what I had

20mm Oerlikon HEI-T

Seems the Junkman stole them from the Brooklyn Navy Yard during the Demob after WW2 (He also had carley floats and nets)

NYPD Bomb Squad came by and searched each kids home to recover the rounds

Of course we had buried and hidden some
 
Some time ago I read online that the KGB had been hiding weapons in the UK (and other parts of Western Europe) during the Cold War.
The weapons caches were apparently booby-trapped with IEDs, so the Official Advice was not to go poking around.

Now I see so many people with metal detectors, it reminded me of these stories. But I haven't heard anything for a long time.

Apparently the weapons were intended for use in the event of the Cold War turning 'hot'. They were either for Spetznaz paratroopers to jump into the UK and locate. Or for KGB 'sleeper' cells (ie people living in the UK as civis) to go and collect once instructed to do so (via numbers station messages presumably).

The weapons were hidden not far from designated Key Points (eg bridges, TV masts etc) that the Spetznaz had designated to seize early on during any war. Essentially they were pre-located supplies. These KPs were to be guarded by the UK TA / HSF.

Is this just an urban legend / nonsense?

@KGB_resident - do you know anything about this?
I'm (as just private citizen) absolutely unaware about it. However, even if I had any information then it would not be disclosed here.
Now I'm in Tenerife. May be here (on Teide, for example) there are hidden KGB weapons stocks. I will try to detect them.
 
I knew that I had read it somewhere:

Making up around 1 per cent of the population, psychopaths were expected to show “no psychological effects in the communities which suffer the severest losses”. The report added: “They are very good in crises, as they have no feelings for others, no moral code, and tend to be very intelligent and logical. Pre-strike, the only solution for these people is to contain them; post-strike, the authorities may find it advantageous to recruit these people, as they could prove an exceptionally valuable resource.”

The psychological impact of nuclear war
 
In the Met in the early 80s we were required to do civil defence training where we sat in a classroom for two days being lecture to by "Ronchon Rod " about what we were supppsed to do if we survived the initial strike. Apparently there were large stores of shotguns strategically placed for the use of the civilian police. At the rate the Met and other forces have been selling their assets these stores ard probably in private hands now dunno what would have happened to the shotguns
 

tiv

War Hero
"Cold War" has a decent drawing of a ROC Post showing the various instruments. The Ground Zero Indicator required a trip outside to change the cassettes:

ROC Post.jpg
 
A friend who was in the ROC told me that the head man at his post told him not to both turning up in event of war as he would be in the post with his family.
A bit of self delusion going on there. The posts were designed to give limited protection whilst the observers reported readings, not as as a means of surviving a nuclear attack nor for any form of long-term habitation.
 
I grew up in NYC

the 2 houses to my grans left were owned by the same man who made the place a junkyard. filled with cars from the 40-50's and all manner of worthless crap. Anyway around 1974 NYC sent workers to clean it out as it had a rat infestation.

Anyhow some of us kids explored and found big round cans of bullets, literally thousands of the Bullets
I had one and when you shook it "Smoke" came out. So I chucked it in granpas vise outside the garage and proceeded to take a 5LB Maul to the casing. It split open and My Neighbor a WW2 Marine was whitefaced when he saw what I had

20mm Oerlikon HEI-T

Seems the Junkman stole them from the Brooklyn Navy Yard during the Demob after WW2 (He also had carley floats and nets)

NYPD Bomb Squad came by and searched each kids home to recover the rounds

Of course we had buried and hidden some
This was also late 70's...... I don't doubt everything we found was viable as several large smoking holes in fields and woods testified .... and can only thank a bloody good guardian angel for making it into the 1980's ...... same angel has been kept hard at work ever since .
 
A public information film on the subject.

Did you notice that the officer at the end in a slightly different uniform announcing endex had war medals and a Seaborne shoulder badge? The Seaborne badge indicates that he took part in Operation Overlord as a Seaborne Observer and would have been deployed on a US Navy warship or a British Defensively Armed Merchant Ship to try and reduce the risk of shooting down friendly aircraft.
 
I seem to recall the plan that involved stopping the escape of any civilians was discussed at an official civil defence type exercise. It also involved a suggestion about ''using local psychopaths to control civilians'' or words to that effect. That latter suggestion didn't seem to gain much traction at the meeting.
I'm sure these documents are online somewhere. Feel free to Google them.
Nope - it's your (rather farfetched) allegation, the onus is on you to prove it.

All you have to do is provide a link to any organisation that had the authority to task the Army, actually having units available, and plans to use them in such a way. Wibble minutes of local councils, or badly-written exercise scenarios, don't count.

Until then, it's tinfoil hat territory.
 
A bit of self delusion going on there. The posts were designed to give limited protection whilst the observers reported readings, not as as a means of surviving a nuclear attack nor for any form of long-term habitation.
Yup. In theory, a post had enough people to run three shifts - so when instant sunshine arrived, the theory was that the duty shift stayed put, and the other two shifts looked out for duty shift's family as well as their own.

We lived only a couple of miles from Group HQ; there was no way that we were going there "in the event of", we'd have been making an indoor shelter like everyone else, and hoping that "our" SS-9 were a dud or landed long not short...
 

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