Hi, Im new and all, and in need of some advice

#1
Hello,

I've just joined the TA (yes, STAB, I know) and the administration monkeys at my local barracks have just dropped a bit of a bombshell on me. Apparently, I've signed up for training weekends including this weekend- something I clearly remember not doing as the only weekend I have signed up for is a TAFS weekend either on 9th Feb or 16th March. However, the stick hanging over me is that if I don't do this weekend, then I won't get to do my training for six months if I don't attend, despite the fact it's my own choice, which is to quite frankly to tell them to sort out their paperwork. However, any input would be welcome.

Cheers,

pistonbroke (abject newbie)
 
#2
Shut up and put up!

No offense intended but I would grab whatever training they can throw at you as soon as you can.

If you get it done now, think about what specialist courses you could go on: Sniping, Medic, Radio Operator, Assault Pioneer etc., not to mention BASIC training.

The sooner you get this done, the sooner you get rank, more money, your bounty payments etc.

Stop whinging!
 
#4
pistonbroke said:
That's not the point- they've told me one thing and done another. Giving up my time I can handle, admin cockups, I won't put up with.
My bold

Welcome to the green machine, get used to it buddy!!

If its any consolation the Regs are not much better?
 
#5
Just crack on with it,you know the saying "TAKE THE ROUGH WITH THE SMOOTH" :spiderman: :spiderman: :spiderman: :spiderman: :spiderman: :spiderman:
 

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#7
pistonbroke said:
That's not the point- they've told me one thing and done another. Giving up my time I can handle, admin cockups, I won't put up with.
Fair point, but you will soon learn about admin cock-ups. This is a form of civil service after all.

Have a squizz through the threads on this forum for 'Admin cock-ups' and you will get the picture. Unfortunately, this is not a commercial enterprise, so efficiency and customer service is irrelevent. You can't exactly take your business elsewhere.

I'd still grab the training the minute it is offered. Training and specialist courses are some of the highlights of being in the forces. Imagine doing the assault pioneers course and learning about explosives, blowing up trees, vehicles, bridges etc., or Sniping with the fun of shooting up to and over 1,000 metres!

The sooner you get the basics done, the sooner you get the good stuff, honestly.

Edited 'cos I'm a complete tard and illiterate)
 
#8
Fair point I guess... but I told them I'd made prior plans, the absolute muppets. If I can put it off a week, I'll be happy. Otherwise... well, you get the idea. Thank God it's the TA as opposed to the Regs, I would be stuck otherwise.
 

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#9
pistonbroke said:
Fair point I guess... but I told them I'd made prior plans, the absolute muppets. If I can put it off a week, I'll be happy. Otherwise... well, you get the idea. Thank God it's the TA as opposed to the Regs, I would be stuck otherwise.
No problem, I am sure that they will rewrite the programme, and cancel and then rebook the accommodation, transport, food, instructors etc just so that your social life is not upset.

You are either the biggest wind up going or a clueless self centred idiot. If you want to be in the TA, learn to be flexible. If you are not willing to be flexible, leave.
 
#10
Look matey, if your after sympathy here or in the green machine look it up in the dictionary, somewhere between S8it and Syphillis!!!!!
 
#11
Never said I was after sympathy, more some helpful advice as opposed to needless flaming.

To reiterate my point: I had already clearly told them what I could and couldn't do, and they go ahead and stomp over everything anyways. Not only is this rude, it's fecking stupid. As for being flexible- I am generally, just not when it comes to family matters.
 

The_Duke

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#12
You told them what you could and couldn't do. Thy have now told you when you can train - now or in 6 months time. The choice is yours to make. Strangly enough, they do not plan training around your family life. They plan training and then you decide whether you want to go or not.

Do you honestly expect them to plan training based around the wants of one recruit?
 
#13
No, but they said they'd take note- which they clearly haven't done. The thing is though, is that the information I was provided with clearly clashes with what I have known for the last three months. Something has clearly gone wrong somewhere, and I was after advice about how to rectify it rather than simply saying "put up and shut up" as John Major once politically committed suicide with.
 

The_Duke

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Moderator
#14
You cannot rectify it. The training calendar has changed. It happens from time to time - loss of training areas, other things taking priority for the originally planned dates etc.

You just need to chose, and it will involve sacrifice. Sacrifice your familiy commitment to attend training now, or sacrifice starting training now to keep your prior appointment.

If you intend to stay in the TA, get used to the idea of flexibility and above all sacrifice - it is central to life in the TA!
 
#15
PistonBroke- You are a C0CK, the Army (TA) are probably better off without you if thats the kind of attitude you have!!

" I can't go to war today Sir I promised my Mum I would cook her Sunday lunch!"

Get over it you knob either do it or feck off!!
 
#16
Ronnie8781 said:
PistonBroke- You are a C0CK, the Army (TA) are probably better off without you if thats the kind of attitude you have!!

" I can't go to war today Sir I promised my Mum I would cook her Sunday lunch!"

Get over it you knob either do it or feck off!!
I haven't the command of English that you have, so I'll bow to your expertise. Well put! :worship:

I'm sure that if this muppet ever gets to do basic, they'll sort him out with the correct attitude or perhaps even fcuk him off.

Listen the the advice bloke; it's good advice! You are signing up (albeit the TA) to MILITARY SERVICE, not your local post office or some engineering job where you might be top c0ck or a manager. Even if you join the TA as a Rupert, you are still going to get sh!t, except they'll call you 'sir' whilst they are sticking it to you.

The keyword in all this is SERVICE. You sign up to serve, not to get service.

The TA can bring an awful lot of good things to your life, apart from fitness and skills; it can provide you with global travel, lifelong friends, active service, specialist skills, advancement in civilian life, excellent drinking skills and also the respect of those around you.

If you attempt to get on in the TA or Regs with the attitude you are displaying on this forum, you will get absolutely nowhere,l so either change it or forget the T.A.
 
#17
Pistonbroke,

Without knowing all the details, it sounds like they are actually doing you a favour. There are certain external training windows that are open. To get in at a particular time, there is mandatory unit pre-training that needs to be done. If you can't make it, you can't make it. However, think about how demorialising it will be when the contempories you joined with complete their basic training months ahead of you.

Also bear in mind that the Army has a different way of adminning itself than civvie street. It can be frustrating, slow and appear Victorian, but the subtle difference is that civvie admin is based about what is best for the individual, Army admin is based around what is best for the team. God knows I've had my tussles with the system, and the bottom line is, generally you will lose.

Th admin staff in a TA centre can make you or break you. Whatever you do, do not display the same attitude to the PSAO as you have on here. Think it by all means, but be political and polite. If you have a genuinely important family event, then explain that. These guys can pull strings within the system, eg ask around other units to see if you can catch up with them. This will take a bit of effort on his part, and will not do it if you basically tell him he's screwed up.

Hope this helps.
 
#18
Hi,

Ive signed on to serve with a military force that is currently involved in Ops worldwide. The problem is, I arrived for a diary co-ord meeting the other day and it appears that some war or other clashes with mums 50th birthday bash. They have also said that I might have to be away for my birthday AND christmas. Now, Im all for defending ones country, but with such social clashes how can they expect one to attend?

Is it possible to attend Ops on a Tuesday and Thursday night, then fly home at weekends? Do they stop patrols etc for the regulatory 15 mins every hour?

All advice welcome, but please dont shout or give abuse, or I will be forced to report it to the HR dept. You do have a HR dept I assume
 
#19
PB

Ref admin probs - they didn't have time to show these in the TV ads, but if you can possibly make it this weekend (lovely weather for it) then you are more likly to get your gliding course before the end of 2007.

Just remember whenever some admin foulup occurs ......... "More pepper!".

W
 
#20
Hmmm... I had a word with the PSAO and he admitted his mistake. Plus to the fact I was working late anyways (forgot about it) so I couldn't have made it. So it goes. However, perhaps helpful advice is always more welcome than personal abuse. To those of you who provided the former, thankyou. The rest can c0ck off.
 

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