Hezbo short range rocket tactics

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by loofkar, Sep 3, 2006.

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  1. Thought this might be of interest:

    How the IDF blew chance to destroy short-range rockets

    By Ze'ev Schiff, Ha'aretz daily newspaper online

    A large number of the short-range rockets fired at Israel from southern Lebanon were launched from permanent positions, the Israel Air Force discovered by chance toward the end of the war. The discovery was made after an air strike burned away vegetation, revealing a dug-in Katyusha position on a permanent launch pad. Additional permanent positions were subsequently discovered.

    If the tactical intelligence of the Northern Command was unaware of the existence of hundreds of permanent short-range rocket launching positions in South Lebanon, then this is a major intelligence failure. If the Northern Command knew of them and did not pass on detailed information to the air force, then this is a serious failure in the management of the war.

    Short-range rockets were one of the biggest problems in Hezbollah's war of attrition against Israeli civilians. The size of these rockets - sometimes small enough to be carried on the back of a donkey, on a motorcycle or by one or two men - made then difficult to pinpoint.

    Hezbollah managed to fire a large number of Katyushas during the war - as many as 240 in one day toward the end of the fighting. The rockets, stored near the launch points in underground shelters or houses, were usually aimed with a direction and trajectory precalculated to hit a specific target in Israel. They were usually set up in orchards by arrangement with the grove owners, who were paid by Hezbollah.

    The two-by-three-meter positions consisted of a hydraulic launch pad in a lined pit. The pad could be raised to fire the 122-mm rockets from a launcher at its center, and then lowered and camouflaged with vegetation. The farmers received instructions by cell phone regarding the number of rockets to launch and in what direction and range. They were often provided with thermal blankets to cover the position in order to keep IAF aircraft from detecting the post-shooting heat signature.

    If the IAF had had details regarding the permanent positions of these short-range rockets, it is reasonable to assume the results of the struggle against them would have been different at the end of the fighting.
     
  2. Apart from the hydraulic pad bit, the rest seems a bit familiar to me, PIRA attack on Heathrow anyone?
     
  3. Any chance of a link mate
     
  4. 2m x 3m....Hardly something the size of Cape canaveral I would submit, and no doubt very easy to conceal, and once concealed probably very difficult to see from the air / satellite.... once concealed.
     
  5. I have a problem with this thread.

    Having done a search on the Haaretz website using the headline as the boolean, I can find no evidence of this article.

    Therefore Loofkar, I ask You again.

    Can You provide a link please??
     
  6. Many thanks LK.

    I think that Schiff is a little harsh on the Israeli Intelligence. The Israeli commanders relied too much on airpower in the early stages of the war and so were unable to get useful intelligence until the latter stages.

    I would be interested to learn why the radar was unable to pick up 240 missles all being lobbed from the same point on the ground
     
  7. If these reports are true then how did the much-vaunted Israeli intel services not pick up on these when they were being constructed in the first place?
     
  8. The 240 missiles were along the northern border. They couldn't have all been launched from the same point because of the diverse ranges of the points of impact.
     
  9. Why didnt they deploy their Green Pine radar, supposed to be the best around?
     
  10. green pine was deployed, as were the anti-missile missiles that go with it. they are ballistic intercept, and need about 90 secs to aquire, lock and destroy. a katusha is in air about 30secs. they're working on it however. but as a post of mine recently noted, many katusha hits on car parks etc., or open ground (recently viewed by yours truly if it makes any difference) are not worth it, green pine or the son of green pine, logistically, economically.
     
  11. I thought that the military spec radar the Israelis have had the wherewithal to pick up Katyushas from just after launch (once it had risen above the ground clutter) to the point where it connected.
     
  12. thats my understanding as well
     
  13. And now, thanks to the IDF policy of massive destruction in S Lebanon they have given the population a superb opportunity to build a lot more nice solid concrete positions, and not just launch pads. I will be amazed if the next Israeli attempt to reach the Liatani does not find that every village and farmhouse has become a fortified strongpoint, lots of reinforced defences built into cellars etc. There will be a heap of rebuilding going on, no way that the analysts will be able to check what is being built.

    ..........and I love that line about it not being worth firing at Katyusha anyway, because they only hit cat-parks. Over 1000 Lebanese civilians died in Israels response to these damaged car-parks !!
     
  14. I think Hezbollah will think again long and hard before rattling the sabre at Israel... My impression is that they are feeling some back blast from the lebanese right now, and they're not too comfortable with either their military or political position.

    It is of note that Syria is keeping an extremely low profile at the moment also....