HERRICK 4 rifle,pistol or both

#2
Both.
 
#5
Thanks for that, I have read it; all 260 odd pages of it and all it says is longs for all those less than OF4 but shorts are to be used where longs are practicable so its not clear in fact it is very unclear. So I was just getting a general consensus. :x
 
#6
if you get both available on issue, then take 'em both mate.
 
#7
Well once you have finished ''big timing it'' you will get sick of your pistol . The rest of the army is aware that
whoever has a pistol is either a high ranking important officer or a Remf chopper who thinks he looks cool.
Of course there are a few exceptions to this . Rifle all the time !!!!
 
#8
Well once you have finished ''big timing it'' you will get sick of your pistol . The rest of the army is aware that
whoever has a pistol is either a high ranking important officer or a Remf chopper who thinks he looks cool.
Of course there are a few exceptions to this . Rifle all the time !!!!


Thanks for your perspective however, you must have a poor perception if you think having a pistol is big timing it. I was thinking of the op mounting order and e mails that I have recieved from colleagues on HERRICK and TELIC. As for the REMF chopper you must of had some poor experiences of said individuals.

When I was on TELIC the number of WO1s and Officers who would swan around with a pistol was clear however, quick trades with the lads was also occuring, if any of them left the security of the Bread Basket .

I neither want to big time it, or look cool nor ascribe to being a REMF chopper however, I would like to be prepared for every eventuality.Lessons learnt from OP TELIC 1 come back.

Of course Im taking my rifle I just wanted to know whether a pistol would make me look like a chopper :p or not and would other WO1s in theatre be carrying them aswell as their rifle.
 
#9
If I could I would, every little helps, as you say, you never know
 
#10
I'd take a Charlie Gee if I could you never know...... might see a talitank!
 
#11
QManWpns said:
Well once you have finished ''big timing it'' you will get sick of your pistol . The rest of the army is aware that
whoever has a pistol is either a high ranking important officer or a Remf chopper who thinks he looks cool.
Of course there are a few exceptions to this . Rifle all the time !!!!


Thanks for your perspective however, you must have a poor perception if you think having a pistol is big timing it. I was thinking of the op mounting order and e mails that I have recieved from colleagues on HERRICK and TELIC. As for the REMF chopper you must of had some poor experiences of said individuals.

When I was on TELIC the number of WO1s and Officers who would swan around with a pistol was clear however, quick trades with the lads was also occuring, if any of them left the security of the Bread Basket .

I neither want to big time it, or look cool nor ascribe to being a REMF chopper however, I would like to be prepared for every eventuality.Lessons learnt from OP TELIC 1 come back.

Of course Im taking my rifle I just wanted to know whether a pistol would make me look like a chopper :p or not and would other WO1s in theatre be carrying them aswell as their rifle.
Of course Im taking my rifle I just wanted to know whether a pistol would make me look like a chopper or not and would other WO1s in theatre be carrying them aswell as their rifle.
Strange question for a WO1 to be asking 'QMan'. Changing times I guess?
 
#12
Strange question for a WO1 to be asking 'QMan'. Changing times I guess?


Not really just trying to get a general consensus from those, who have been on HERRICK.

The boss and I usually have a pistol on EX however lessons learnt from TELIC 1, pistols went out the window. However, as the mounting order is a bit sketchy I was trying to get a general consensus. Fellow WOs particulary on TELIC have carried both however this is the stan and therefore, its all a bit new.

Personally I will deploy with both, then at least Ive got it, if its required.
 
#13
QManWpns said:
Strange question for a WO1 to be asking 'QMan'. Changing times I guess?


Not really just trying to get a general consensus from those, who have been on HERRICK.

The boss and I usually have a pistol on EX however lessons learnt from TELIC 1, pistols went out the window. However, as the mounting order is a bit sketchy I was trying to get a general consensus. Fellow WOs particulary on TELIC have carried both however this is the stan and therefore, its all a bit new.

Personally I will deploy with both, then at least Ive got it, if its required.
As I said, changing times. In my day, it was worked out for you and you just took what you were told to take. No options. I do believe, there was always a very good reason as to the allocation of weapons, unit fire power springs to mind.

Reading through some of the Spam posts, they seem to have the option of having another weapon. They all opt for both. Nice if you can get it!
 
#14
Read the news and see if you think having as many guns as possible is a good idea.
Always carry as many and as a big a gun as possible. If you have a mate who has a big gun, take him with you as well.
Just ensure you know how to you them. Funny things pistols, they just 'go off' in peoples hands.
 
#15
codhead582 said:
Read the news and see if you think having as many guns as possible is a good idea.
Always carry as many and as a big a gun as possible. If you have a mate who has a big gun, take him with you as well.
Just ensure you know how to you them. Funny things pistols, they just 'go off' in peoples hands.
Not just pistols 'codhead'. Live ammo + poor skills and drills = dead and wounded service personnel. Nothing new there.
 
#16
Well firstly Im going as an augmentee so there is no Unit SOP just the mounting order, which at 264 pages long is a lengthy read. As for pistols being funny things its crap drills that get people hurt or even killed, I recall a Sgt having an ND with a certain Para Regt in the province comes to mind, thankfully no body injured. As weapons are my bread and butter hopefully, my drills will be squared away, doing enough range work with both weapon systems and some misc bits of kit.

Spoke to LAND and they advise if qualified in both, take both, as in my role it may not be practicable to have an A2.

A lot of local liaison work.
 
#17
Take two pistols, a fake beard, a dirka dirka phrase book and the biggest, sharpest kitchen knife you can get your hands on.

A note book and a GSOH.

God it's late and I'm bored.
 
#18
Take both. You're unlikely to need either, but wouldn't you feel stupid if you didn't have it when you needed. Anyone who accuses a soldier of big timing it for carrying issued wepons is a cnut. People always get complacent mid-tour and don't go out properly prepared.

And don't settle for less than 100 rounds. Insist on being prepared - you may feel stupid, but not nearly as stupid as being ripped limb from limb.
 
#19
Others questions posed today:

Should I get shot should I bring it to the attention of the nearest medic or not bother him as he's probably busy and attempt to sort the problem myself?

Should I take a sleeping bag or will there be a shop there to buy one?

Should I take my left boot AND my right boot? Seems like I may be 'big timing' it with two.

Do I regret having asked the boneist question ever?

Just off to make a brew. Should I use hot water or just the cold stuff from the tap?
 
#20
Others questions posed today:

Should I get shot should I bring it to the attention of the nearest medic or not bother him as he's probably busy and attempt to sort the problem myself?

Should I take a sleeping bag or will there be a shop there to buy one?

Should I take my left boot AND my right boot? Seems like I may be 'big timing' it with two.

Do I regret having asked the boneist question ever?

Just off to make a brew. Should I use hot water or just the cold stuff from the tap?


Right firstly mate I dont regret asking the bonest question ever, as firstly Im an augmentee that means Im on my own, I have no Adjt or QM to ask else I would'nt have to frame the question here.

Secondly my mate who is on TELIC also a WO1 took a rifle only and had to acquire a pistol out in theatre (Causing a nause for the QM who asked him your'e a WO1 did you not think to bring one out IAW Regt SOPs?) as he was involved with SRR he needed one, as his principal role changed.

Finally I seem to remember a certain RMP patrol who werent adequately prepared for a routine patrol and it was there last "God rest their souls".

So before you open mouth engage brain and think about what you are writing.

LAND who write the mounting instruction are sketchy as it depends on current role, they said if qualified in both take both.As there is no POOL in theatre.

Just wanted to feel out any other Warrants in theatre who have had this problem.
 

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