Hero of the week - Vladimir Putin

#1
Who would have thought that the sinister KGB baddie from Central Casting would be Hero of the Week? His stiletto-tipped Rosa Klebb boot jabbed the shins of the Shaved Chimp and the Deranged Leader.

Dubya: I talked about my desire to promote institutional change in parts of the world, like Iraq where there's a free press and free religion, and I told him that a lot of people in our country would hope that Russia would do the same," Bush said.

Vlad: "We certainly would not want to have the same kind of democracy that they have in Iraq, quite honestly."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/07/15/russia.g8/

"We carefully hear out all our partners," he said. "We take into consideration their views on such issues but we take our decisions ourselves. There are also other questions. Questions, let's say, about the fight against corruption. We'd be interested in hearing your experience, including how it applies to Lord Levy."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk
 
#2
The view from both the Torygraph and the Indie is that Putin comprehensively out-manouvred both Blair and Bush. I bet they didn't enjoy being lectured about morality by Putin!

It will be interesting to see how Russia handles the up and coming energy crisis. They appear to be playing a very long game!

Politics! Don't you just love it?

Litotes
 
#3
A very canny geezer, that Putin. It's so obvious that he (correctly) thinks Bush the Bewildered is a total cretin.

The time to worry is when he decides to add the prefix "Ras" to his surname! :D :D :D

MsG
 
#4
Ra Ra Ra Putin, Russia's leader doesn't care
There was a cat that really was gone
Ra Ra Ra Putin, insulter of Dubya and Blair
It was great how he carried on
 

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#5
No doubt his indoctrination in doublethink/speak served him well with what I would venture to call those who engage in singlethink, except that would give them too much credit. Socrates, Hegel and Marx would have been proud of Vlad....
 
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#6
Nehustan said:
No doubt his indoctrination in doublethink/speak served him well with what I would venture to call those who engage in singlethink, except that would give them too much credit. Socrates, Hegel and Marx would have been proud of Vlad....
As would Alexander Nevskii, Ivan the terrible and Peter The Great....

The synthesis of Old and New...

 
#7
Oчень потешный, мистер Путин!
 
#10
I quite like Putin, nobody is going to push Russia around anymore. They do things their way and thats the end of it, hardline government with Capitalism.

He does not cover himself with a cloak of PC like Blair or spout rubbish about democracy like Bush or try to be right on, seems to be a realist. I would have thought it would be in our interest to be on side with Russia, what they do about "civil rights" in their country is their business. Better to have them on side than not.

The Chinese and the rest are just on the horizon


You would not see dossers defacing the Russian equivilent of the Cenotaph on may day
 
#11
damned right Vonshot, I'd rather have Putin in than that old drunk fcuk wassiname - I am sure the Yanks found him amusing but they didn't have to live next door to him.
 

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#12
tomahawk6 said:
Putin is no friend to the west. He clearly is supporting the other side in the war on terror.
I just love the way you with a wave of your hand use the word 'West'. I was watching that Newt Gingrich last night on Aunty (I might add that Newt seems to be a very apt descriptor) and he kept using the 'we' word. Can it be mere coincedence that the word West contains the word 'we'. Personally I have more in common with a Russian than an American, especially when we get the language barrier out of the way. With so much pollution deadening our senses, we can oh so often start to believe that Americans are 'just like us'. They're so obviously not.
 
#13
Today I visited my father (he is a former colonel of KGB) in his modest wooden house in country-side 100 km. from Moscow. We discussed the incident mentioned in the first post on this thread.

It should be noted that my father strongly dislike mr.Putin and he is not 'a hero' for him at all. I always admired that my father is able to suppost a conversation on literally any theme, that he is able to find right words in any situation.

Today (only now 18 years after the day of his retirement) my father explained me that he had a very good practice. He had usually 16-18 agents or informers (some were paid informers) and used one or two conspirative appartments to meet with his agents. The agents were very different people and a work with them required special skills. Some were very stupid, some naively thought that they were more clever than my father. In each individual case special approach, wording had to be used.

From point of view of my father Mr.Putin intesively worked with agents and apparently there were foreigners (Germans) among them. My father noted that mr.Bush is not a very difficult subject even for mr.Putin.

I mentioned mr.Blair and said that his intellectual level is no doubt very high. Without any attempt to compare my father recalled one his agent, a true intellectual. He smiled frequently and always tried to present semitruth (thinking that he is the only source of information). But he didn't understand that the most valuable part of his reports was no that he said but that he hadn't said.

As for the question on what side you prefer to see Russia then I prefer to be on the Western side. Moreover I believe that later or sooner Russia will be a part of the West.
 

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#14
Sergey, surely Russia is both East and West, and this will no doubt be its strength in the future. What we need to remember is that we are effectively one land mass, connected by history as well as physically. When it comes to East and West the furthest point of the Maghrib is further west than that of Europe. Our histories are intertwined as a fine Persian rug, and tho' the US would like to cast itself in the role of Alexander, the only knots they will find are those finely tied by the passage of history. What may I ask do they with their short history propose to replace such art with...Bubblegum? Hollywood? Justin Timberlake?
 
#15
KGB_resident said:
I mentioned mr.Blair and said that his intellectual level is no doubt very high. Without any attempt to compare my father recalled one his agent, a true intellectual. He smiled frequently and always tried to present semitruth (thinking that he is the only source of information). But he didn't understand that the most valuable part of his reports was no that he said but that he hadn't said.

As for the question on what side you prefer to see Russia then I prefer to be on the Western side. Moreover I believe that later or sooner Russia will be a part of the West.
Dear Sergey,

I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on Phoney Tony. His intellectual ability is vastly overrated (although im comparison to Bush the Bewildered, anybody comes out looking good - even our dog!). If you'd ever had the opportunity to see how Hague, the former leader of the Conservative Party, used to wipe Phoney Tony away in the House of Commons debates, I think you'd change your mind.

MsG
 
#16
MrPVRd said:
Who would have thought that the sinister KGB baddie from Central Casting would be Hero of the Week? His stiletto-tipped Rosa Klebb boot jabbed the shins of the Shaved Chimp and the Deranged Leader.

Dubya: I talked about my desire to promote institutional change in parts of the world, like Iraq where there's a free press and free religion, and I told him that a lot of people in our country would hope that Russia would do the same," Bush said.

Vlad: "We certainly would not want to have the same kind of democracy that they have in Iraq, quite honestly."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/07/15/russia.g8/

"We carefully hear out all our partners," he said. "We take into consideration their views on such issues but we take our decisions ourselves. There are also other questions. Questions, let's say, about the fight against corruption. We'd be interested in hearing your experience, including how it applies to Lord Levy."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk
Hero? Mr KGB was put firmly in his place by an angry Mrs Blair very shortly afterwards.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/07/18/wgeight18.xml

I'm beginning to like her.
 
#17
tomahawk6 said:
Putin is no friend to the west. He clearly is supporting the other side in the war on terror.
I think you'll find that Putin is on Russia's side and no other. He will lend his support as he feels the geo-political situation dictates. Seriously though, this whole "If you're not with us you're against us" school of international relations may play well in Tom Clancy novels but in the real world it falls well short of being effective. The world is full of shades of gray ans the US would do a damn sight better if the current administration couls cope with this fact.
 
#18
Awol said:
Hero? Mr KGB was put firmly in his place by an angry Mrs Blair very shortly afterwards.
I think not:

"She asked whether we intended to challenge the law at the European Court of Human Rights," said Yuri Vdovin, the deputy chairman of Citizen's Watch, who presided over the meeting.

"She mentioned that the chambers where she works could help us if we don't have enough resources."


Russia is not a member of the EU, so the ECHR has no authority over Russian law. I’m certain the Frog knows that, but she’ll be happy to take her Russian client’s money anyway.

"As a human rights lawyer, I came here to hear your experiences and to celebrate the work you carry out," she told those assembled before the private session began.

Which translates as:
“As a human rights lawyer, I came here to put my oar into matters that are none of my business and to bleed you for as many roubles as I can. If I can contribute to screwing up your country’s laws like I’m contributing to screwing up mine, that’s a bonus”

Putin or Mrs Bliar – no contest!

Awol said:
I'm beginning to like her.
I'm not.
 
#19
Chinggis said:
Awol said:
Hero? Mr KGB was put firmly in his place by an angry Mrs Blair very shortly afterwards.
I think not:

"She asked whether we intended to challenge the law at the European Court of Human Rights," said Yuri Vdovin, the deputy chairman of Citizen's Watch, who presided over the meeting.

"She mentioned that the chambers where she works could help us if we don't have enough resources."


Russia is not a member of the EU, so the ECHR has no authority over Russian law. I’m certain the Frog knows that, but she’ll be happy to take her Russian client’s money anyway.

"As a human rights lawyer, I came here to hear your experiences and to celebrate the work you carry out," she told those assembled before the private session began.

Which translates as:
“As a human rights lawyer, I came here to put my oar into matters that are none of my business and to bleed you for as many roubles as I can. If I can contribute to screwing up your country’s laws like I’m contributing to screwing up mine, that’s a bonus”
Yes you're probably right. Bit of a boo boo though, offering her services for free.
 
#20
Awol said:
Yes you're probably right. Bit of a boo boo though, offering her services for free.
Not at all. Pro Bono is always good for a press release and getting a bit of street cred with poor people. After all, do you seriously think they will be able to cash in her promise/offer?
 

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