Hereditary Generals ?

#1
From November 1914 until March 1918 there was stalemate on the Western Front as both sides stuck to their trenches for protection
Between the two opposing sets of trenches was No Man's Land which any attacking troops had to cross.Both sides used thick belts of barbed wire to protect the trenches. Troops caught up in the wire became easy targets for the enemy machine gunners and snipers
The wars in the trenches were so intense that 10% of the fighting soldiers (not the officers) were killed in the trench warfare and around 50% would get wounded.
"General Melchard sir, Every time we go over the top the Gerrys are waiting with their machine guns and we're slaughtererd!"
Nonsense Blackadder, carry on, Let the Hun Know we're here"


90yrs later - same same
Improvised explosive devices (IEDs) caused the majority of Nato casualties in 2010 and their indiscriminate use has been blamed by the United Nations for contributing to record civilian casualties.

From April to June, 3,845 exploded or were found, according to the Pentagon's Joint IED Defeat Organisation (JIEDDO). Coaliton killed and wounded from the bombs rose 15 per cent yearly to 1,248 over the same period.

In June, use of roadside bombs was 25 per cent higher than average.

Most of the bombs are of homemade explosive, but attempts to block the import of ammonium nitrate fertiliser used in its manufacture have failed to stop the increase in devices.
"General Melchard sir, every time we go on patrol the taliban have got an IED waiting for us"
Nonsense capt Darling, we've got to re assure the local were here!"


 
#2
You're punching above your weight intellectually speaking. Please stop.


Also, it's Melchett, you dick.
 
#3
I don't get your point. WW1 was general warfare, whereas Afghanistan is Counter Insurgency. Are you trying to say that because the Insurgents place IEDs we should cower in the FOBs?
 
M

Mark The Convict

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#4
How does the title of your thread pertain to its cut-and-paste contents, or, indeed, to anything else?
 
#5
Your right QS I am punching way above my intellect, Its just that I cant help thinking that as a nation we aren't.
You probably got a better insight than me but it looks to me thats its still "over the top lads and tally ho" and that the everyday patrol has more cons than pro's.
I stand corrected - Melchett of course.
 
#6
Mr Convict, all I was trying to suggest was that the generals of today are equally as stupid as the generals of the first world war. Lads are getting killed regularly and they dont seem to have a plan B.
 
#7
I've not got a definite answer wobblyhead but Libya turned out ok so far in less than a year. The locals did the groundwork and we did the air support. Like I said m8 I haven't got the answer but it seems that our generals have got one plan not matter the casualties!
 
#8
Good drills on me! Funnily enough, I HAVE actually just popped some popcorn, and eagerly await the gopping civvie cuntbashing to commence.
 
#9
Your right QS I am punching way above my intellect, Its just that I cant help thinking that as a nation we aren't.
You probably got a better insight than me but it looks to me thats its still "over the top lads and tally ho" and that the everyday patrol has more cons than pro's.
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Well it doesn't. You clearly don't understand either the contemporary operating environment or the historical references you've made. Stop getting your news from the Sun, if you want to understand why the army works the way it does then I can suggest STRATFOR - Geopolitical intelligence, economic, political, and military strategic forecasting | STRATFOR. Just delete this thread and let's all move on with our lives.
 
#10
Flaggers,
dont sit on the fence with your popcorn, give me a feminist perspective (without abuse plz)
Are we doing the right thing by sending daily patrols out with no specific objective other than showing the local we are there ?
 
#11
Scrolling...scrolling...scrolling...and...Ignore.
 
#12
QS, Ive been reading your link and I got enuff insight to know that I not got the full picture - its complicated. Its just frustrating to hear bad news on a regular basis and I wish the lads on the ground the best of luck. I'l take your advice and wind my neck in.
cheers.
 
#13
QS, Ive been reading your link and I got enuff insight to know that I not got the full picture - its complicated. Its just frustrating to hear bad news on a regular basis and I wish the lads on the ground the best of luck. I'l take your advice and wind my neck in.
cheers.
Nice sentiment now go to bed
 
#14
Dunno the answer to your question. I got out before Afgh. popped up this round, so really can't speculate. But I do know from my own experience that it's not my job as an JNCO to worry about that sort of thing. My job is merely to do my job as dictated down the COC. To soldier. And sometimes soldiers die.Though more heli-inserts for infantry would probably cut down IED-casualties, I could (were it my job, mind) speculate that lack of patrolling presence would give the ******* more leeway to plant more IEDs, which would cost even more lives when movement by roads ultimately DID become necessary, and would cost the civpop alot of casualties too. Add to that whatever CIMIC value having feet on the ground adds, and there is probably the seed of a reason for it.
 
#15
First, Blackadder was not a documentary. If you are going to make comparisons with WW1 then do some proper research first.

Second, as I have said elsewhere: if you want to keep soldiers safe don't send them to a combat zone, if you do send them then have a plan that enables them to achieve something not just survive. So lets hear your plan for how to win in Afghanistan.
 

jim24

LE
Book Reviewer
#16
"There were several skirmishes and small battles around the army's indefensible cantonments, an amateurish attempt by the British to play at Afghan intrigue,"

Lieutenant (later general) Vincent Eyre 1842
 
#17
I suppose, in an ideal world, Terry would now leave pies by the roadside and WW1 would have been settled by a game of rugby followed by a few beers. Unfortunately this is armed conflict and it's all about damaging your enemy by the best means available.
 
#18
First, Blackadder was not a documentary.
No way!!!! I always wondered why I failed my A level History - now I know, I quoted Blackadder too many times. They should put a warning on at the start explaining that it is fictional and not factual.
 

jim24

LE
Book Reviewer
#19
No way!!!! I always wondered why I failed my A level History - now I know, I quoted Blackadder too many times. They should put a warning on at the start explaining that it is fictional and not factual.
But Major-General Blackadder did exist. Born in 1870, Second Lieutenant Charles G. Blackadder was commissioned into the Leicestershire regiment in August 1888. His promotion thereafter was steady, but not spectacular. By 1890 he was a Lieutenant. In the late 1890s he was seconded for a period to serve with the West African Frontier Force, which is perhaps where he took part in the battle of Mboto Gorge against 10,000 Watusi tribesmen armed with kiwi fruit and very sharp mangoes. He was a brave man, for in 1904 he was not only a Major, but he had been awarded the Distinguished Service Order. In 1910 he was the senior major in the 1st Battalion of his regiment.

By the standards of the Edwardian army his career had been perfectly respectable, but not spectacular. The First World War changed that. Like many other officers hovering on middle age in 1914, the war placed a rocket under his career. By 1916 he had climbed three ranks to become a Major-General and the commander of 38th Division in France. He remained in command of 38th Division throughout the battles of the Somme, Third Ypres and the German spring 1918 offensive, and did not relinquish it until May 1918. The official record says that he then ‘went sick’. He may have contracted the Spanish flu
 

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