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Queensman said:THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT ABOUT THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY IS THAT IN NEEDS TO BE VOTED FOR.
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ARE THEY FCUKERS LIKE.
Queensman said:THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT ABOUT THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY IS THAT IN NEEDS TO BE VOTED FOR.
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tweckyspat said:NO !!!!!!
did you vote in 97 ? we seem to have quickly forgotten (and no arr-chive-s to remind us) that many then voted "neu arbeit" because "Things could only get better"
and they didn't
don't waste your time. Govts (any colour) undervalue the military. Outside of war - threatening national security type war - they will always shaft us. Hence Wellington's infamous letter to the bean counters " I can account for my saddles or beat the Spanish. Please let me know which you would prefer " and Rudyard Kipling's poetry.
The only difference this time is that the style and manner of the shafting is (apparently) more distasteful to you. The bald facts are that the electorate are more interested in the economy, education, health and their standard of living than with us. That their view may be influenced by spin, lies or propaganda may be unwelcome and unpleasant to you but do you really think a new Govt will eschew these proven and effective techniques to gain and maintain power ? You could argue that those parties which have decided to try and maintain the moral high ground have failed to gain popularity precisely because they have not used these tactics !
I will vote on the day because failing to vote further undermines the govts credibility. But there will still be amalgamations, Defence Secs who see the post as a stepping stone to higher office, shaftings etc. I am amazed that otherwise enlightened arrse-ites cannot see this
tweckyspat said:am I alone in finding the energy and passion expended by so many
arrs-ites in anti-"neu arbeit" mode as a tad naiive ??
you youngsters will hardly remember how cr@p it was last time we had a tory government. A string of underwhelming Defence Secs (eg Portillo ??????) and some horrendous cuts which left the CR2fleet without engines and lifelong enemies in the Inf facing amalgamation (plus ca change !)
A new gov of any colour will still be under the same pressures to save money and use Mil forces around the world to "punch above our weight" attempting to safeguard things like our seat on UNSC
This is not a party political point. We have been shafted and (probably) lied to by this latest gov but there is no reason that I can see that we will not be shafted by the next - whoever wins.
We should save our energy and effort on the things we can do something about eg training standards, leading and managing soldiers etc etc
Cpl_ripper said:Queensman said:THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT ABOUT THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY IS THAT IN NEEDS TO BE VOTED FOR.
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ARE THEY FCUKERS LIKE.
Speedy said:Cpl_ripper said:Queensman said:THE MOST IMPORTANT FACT ABOUT THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY IS THAT IN NEEDS TO BE VOTED FOR.
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ARE THEY FCUKERS LIKE.
Going to get our benefits stopped are we?
Speedy said:I look on it like this. The last time the Torys sent me to war I had 200 rounds of ammunition, grenades, 66's and so much kit I had to bin some just so I could carry all the rest. The last time Labour sent me to war I had 10 rounds on ammunition, no body armour and had to spend several hundred pounds of my own money to buy kit I should have been issued.
Cnuts.