Hercules crews begin air drops in Afghanistan

#1
This does not appear to have been discussed here on ARRSE yet:

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/D...nSupplyingTroopsInAfghanistanWithAirDrops.htm

Crews from RAF Lyneham are reverting to Second World War methods of resupplying troops on the front line in Afghanistan by air drops, helping to reduce the danger posed by roadside bombs.


Air dispatchers load a Hercules with supplies for an air drop to a forward operating base in Helmand province
[Picture: Corporal Steve Bain (RAF) ABIPP, Crown Copyright/MOD 2009]
Traditionally, the forward operating bases (FOBs), where front line British troops are located throughout Helmand province, have been restocked by road as air drops have been notoriously inaccurate.

But now stores, which include essential ration packs, are able to be thrown accurately out of the the back of a moving Hercules, helping to limit the danger to soldiers who resupply by land.
Is this a good news story, or a MOD own goal? Proof in the political mind that we don't need more helicopters, maybe?
 
#3
If it works, and gives the RAF something to do, it's all good, isn't it?

I would have thought a Herc could carry a much bigger load, further, faster and deliver it just as accurately as a helo. Add to that the advantage of being less prone to ground fire.

I think it's only a matter of time before the insurgents get some kind of MANPAD capability. The Chechens managed it with the proximity warhead for the RPG7. Wouldnt a herc be rather less vulnerable?

However, low level flying has always been hazardous, so soon there won't be enough serviceable hercs as well as not enough helos.
 

RP578

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#4
The USAF dropping supplies (I think they were from C17s) to ANA call-signs south of Sangin, were a common sight this summer.
 
#6
Air drops have been used for ages. I was on the receiving end of at least 3 that I can remember on H7 and I escorted kit to Kaf on several occasions to get loaded on the Herc for other drops.
 
#8
Fallschirmjager said:
We had an airdrop in Sangin when we were surrounded and no supplies could get in, in 2006. The loady dropped the supplies in the taliban held area though. Cnut.
Several maroon berets and some hymm sheets with the lyrics to "abide with me" written on them per chance?
 
#11
Fallschirmjager said:
We had an airdrop in Sangin when we were surrounded and no supplies could get in, in 2006. The loady dropped the supplies in the taliban held area though. Cnut.
Well, the article did say they were doing it just like they did in the 2nd World War, so dropping it to the bad guys is probably what they thought they were supposed to be doing.
 
#12
Fallschirmjager said:
They're not RAF. They're Air Dispatchers from 47AD Regt RLC. The RAF fly the Herc and that's about it.


Fallschirmjager said:
We had an airdrop in Sangin when we were surrounded and no supplies could get in, in 2006. The loady dropped the supplies in the taliban held area though. Cnut.
So, the pongos drop the kit unless the drop goes wrong, in which case the loady dropped it?
 
#13
Dunservin said:
Fallschirmjager said:
walt_of_the_walts said:
If it works, and gives the RAF something to do, it's all good, isn't it?
They're not RAF. They're Air Dispatchers from 47AD Regt RLC. The RAF fly the Herc and that's about it.
Pedantic head on. 47AD (Air Defence) Regt is RA. Do you mean 29 Regt RLC's 47AD (Air Despatch) Sqn?

(Not to be confused with the RAF's 47 Sqn which flies C.130s. :? )
[Pedantic head on again.] I don't think the RLC has the trade of Pilot or Co-pilot or Flight engineer. (if the C130J still has one) The bods up the front who get the plane to where it has to go are Crabair
 
#14
ViroBono said:
Fallschirmjager said:
They're not RAF. They're Air Dispatchers from 47AD Regt RLC. The RAF fly the Herc and that's about it.


Fallschirmjager said:
We had an airdrop in Sangin when we were surrounded and no supplies could get in, in 2006. The loady dropped the supplies in the taliban held area though. Cnut.
So, the pongos drop the kit unless the drop goes wrong, in which case the loady dropped it?
since when did crab bashing need to be based on logic!
 
#15
ViroBono said:
Fallschirmjager said:
They're not RAF. They're Air Dispatchers from 47AD Regt RLC. The RAF fly the Herc and that's about it.


Fallschirmjager said:
We had an airdrop in Sangin when we were surrounded and no supplies could get in, in 2006. The loady dropped the supplies in the taliban held area though. Cnut.
So, the pongos drop the kit unless the drop goes wrong, in which case the loady dropped it?
Well, yeah. :D
 
#16
ViroBono said:
Fallschirmjager said:
They're not RAF. They're Air Dispatchers from 47AD Regt RLC. The RAF fly the Herc and that's about it.


Fallschirmjager said:
We had an airdrop in Sangin when we were surrounded and no supplies could get in, in 2006. The loady dropped the supplies in the taliban held area though. Cnut.
So, the pongos drop the kit unless the drop goes wrong, in which case the loady dropped it?
Basically, yes. :D
 

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#17
On H7 someone managed to drop a pallet at the wrong Grid Ref - it was one that had been used some time before, but wasn't the one that the people in the FOB had gone to wait by....

They found the remains of the palette the next day, via a Heli recce. It was, unsurprisingly, empty, so a few Afghans had a treat. We were assured that there was nothing 'militarily significant' on it, i.e. no Ammo, but presumably a fair bit of food, fuel and water. I don't think that, in the circumstancves, the locals would have been worried about the food being full of non-Halal nastiness :)

Whether that was the fault of the RAF or the AD I have no idea - who says when they are over the right spot, and gives the green light, in such cases?
 
#18
OldSnowy said:
On H7 someone managed to drop a pallet at the wrong Grid Ref - it was one that had been used some time before, but wasn't the one that the people in the FOB had gone to wait by....

They found the remains of the palette the next day, via a Heli recce. It was, unsurprisingly, empty, so a few Afghans had a treat. We were assured that there was nothing 'militarily significant' on it, i.e. no Ammo, but presumably a fair bit of food, fuel and water. I don't think that, in the circumstancves, the locals would have been worried about the food being full of non-Halal nastiness :)

Whether that was the fault of the RAF or the AD I have no idea - who says when they are over the right spot, and gives the green light, in such cases?
The Navigator
 
#19
Difficult to see where you are going from "in the rear with the gear" on a '130, so logic dictates crab air drive to a certain point and announce the arrival. Green on and AD "drop on command"...
 

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