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Discussion in 'Charities and Welfare' started by oldcodger, Mar 11, 2010.

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  1. This was posted on the RHQ, Pay and Personel Forum. I post it to this Forum as i appears more relevant. Although I have supported H4H extensively, I must agree with Olen they are doing the MOD/Govment work for them

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  2. It's not much difference for a lot of other 'charities'. For example why are the air ambulances run on donations, why do local people have to dib in their pockets for a new scanner at the local hospital.

    You could say that most charities are a result of failure of the government at the time, to prioritise its spending?
  3. RNLI recieve no government money in the UK (though I believe they do in the ROI which they also cover) and they do absolutly sterling work I'm sure we'd all agree.

    Even if 'everything' was fully funded by government, someone in Joe Public would still want to do something for certain causes, whether it be H4H, RBL or guide dogs for the blind.

    The fact that provision for those injured in HM Forces isn't fully funded is disgusting and is something I hope the next 'elected' prime minister does something about.
  4. oldbaldy

    oldbaldy LE Moderator Good Egg (charities)
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    There are hundreds of charities whose, it could be agrued, activities should come out of the public purse. As STP says RNLI, TRBL & Guide Dogs, I would add the Mountain Resue, McMillan Nurses, Hospices, the list could go on and on.
    Until the advent of H4H, except for the Poppy Appeal, service charities were not considered 'sexy' and so the public would be more likely to give money to an animal shelter than to say SSAFA, ABF, Combat Stress, BLESMA or St Dunstans.
    OK H4H might have deflected some money away from older charities but a lot of those have benefitted from the new money brought in by H4H, a good example is the Norton Homes in Ashtead & Birmingham run by SSAFA which received half a million go get them going. Should the government (MOD) have provided somewhere for families to stay, quite possibly, but they didn't & so it was left to the charity sector to fill the gap.
    A sad state of affairs I know but we are where we are & have to made the best of it whilst at the same time badgering our MPs to provide better facilities for Vets of all age groups, not those injured since 2005.
  5. The money for the Norton Houses was, ofciurse, very welcome; but it's worth pointing out SSAFA raised over £5 million itself.

    On balance, I think H4H has brought new donors into the Service charities, but I think there is a lot of misunderstanding about what they do. My pet peeve is the number of people who think they raise money for Headley Court (right now, they've paid their proportion of the swimming pool costs, and nothing new is earmarked for there). And I think there are widespread misconceptions about assistance to individuals; I don't think H4H has misrepresented itself, but the general public has made an assumption that it is somehow synonymous with helping with everything. This could prove a tragic mistake if either specialists such as St Dunstans have to curtail any activities, or if SSAFA (with it's unique network of caseworkers (on which so much of the Benevolent effort rests) cannot raise the funds it might otherwise have hoped for in this, it's anniversary year.
  6. It is also surprising the number of people who think their wristband and sticker money (along with all other products) is raising money for the charity. In fact the proceeds pay for the running costs, which include the salaries for the founders and other paid staff. The first year of operations saw a total of £90,000 paid to the two founders in 'consultancy' fees, not including transport and expenses. Thats a lot of wristbands.

    They are both now salaried but released accounts to date have not shown at what remuneration.

    I appreciate that all (most) charities have paid staff and directors, but when you see the wristbands and badges being sold, how many people think they are donating to the charity itself?

    No-one can deny it has raised a fortune, but has it not just become a huge donations hoover and a nice little earner for the founders, to boot?
  7. All proceeds from the Sale of Wristbands, have counted as 100% donation to the charity since October 2009. they haven't been a "merchandise item" for almost 6 months now and their production costs are absorbed by the sale of other Merchandise Items.
  8. I stand corrected then. I take it all other merchandise pays for the running costs/salaries/company cars and expenses then?