Help with over turning discharge

#21
Thank you all for your remarks some good some bad (point 1 )you would have thought the c.o would have looked in to my mental state I was in no fit state due to p.t.s.d or the abuse I had taken from.my own to give a straight answer if I wanted to leave or not they had broken me I was cryng my eyes out in front of him as he was asking me.(point 2) within ten days of rejoining I was on the streets of Ireland no tin city etc (point 3 )only done half training at Woolwich in 72 never passed out as a soldier do you have to pass out to be a soldier (point 4) proven many years later p.t.s.d due to being sent to Ireland untrained plus abuse by my oen confirmed in medical records now. There is much much more to this story it's the white feather that lives with a person all his life
 
#24
I hope not, no full stops, no commas, no broken paragraphs, no complete sentences, Tedious, and somewhat soporific. And too much useless information.
Yes, but what about the OP?
 
#25
Thank you all for your remarks some good some bad (point 1 )you would have thought the c.o would have looked in to my mental state I was in no fit state due to p.t.s.d or the abuse I had taken from.my own to give a straight answer if I wanted to leave or not they had broken me I was cryng my eyes out in front of him as he was asking me.(point 2) within ten days of rejoining I was on the streets of Ireland no tin city etc (point 3 )only done half training at Woolwich in 72 never passed out as a soldier do you have to pass out to be a soldier (point 4) proven many years later p.t.s.d due to being sent to Ireland untrained plus abuse by my oen confirmed in medical records now. There is much much more to this story it's the white feather that lives with a person all his life
No, your CO would only be concentrating on whether the soldier before him was ever likely to be an asset to his unit, a question he would have been contemplating due to the effort put in by his units NCOs and Officers because of your offending behaviour. Also, PTSD wasn't known about then but Battleshock was, we just weren't as well trained and notified to spot it in our comrades. However, if you'd have gone sick with your problems your MO would not only have arranged specialist help but also flagged up to the CO that he had a soldier with a problem.

Noone on here can support your statement(s) that you were sent to NI without the proper training support package nor a complete basic training. As has already been suggested the only ones who can are your brothers and the people involved at the time. When assessing your WP they would have ensured a diagnosis of PTSD was in place and whether it was possible or likely to have been as a result of Military Service. Note possibly or likely and not proven.

The only one relating what you claim to have happened to "white feather" is you. The "White Feather" was given as a mark of cowardice and nothing you've mentioned bears any resemblance to cowardice. I respectfully suggest this is an issue you should raise with your doctor as it appears you have deeper problems over what you believe happened to you.
 
#26
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#27
Assuming it is, your options could include:

1. Contact the RBL
2. Write to the Royal Artillery Association.
3. Write to your MP.
4. Contact APC at Glasgow and ask for copies of all your Service records - (Subject Access Request)
5. Engage a solicitor who specialises in employment matters.
6. Suck it up!
7. A mixture of any of the above.

Presumably your four brothers can add credibility to your case?
But, before you do write to anyone, please, FFS, get someone to proof read your efforts.
I suspect option 6 is the only real option... if current employment law I respect of unfair/constructive dismissal could be retrospectively applied to every dismissal since nineteen oh plonk... Christ on a bike, the floodgates would not only be fully opened, they be torn off their hinges by the tsunami of claims...

Me: "I was sacked in 1971 because I stabbed my manager to death because he caught me stealing. If he hadn't been spying on me he wouldn't have caught me and I wouldn't have had to stab him. Obviously it was his fault I stabbed him. He should have got the sack(posthumously), not me. It was unfair dismissal and I want some Compo"

Tribunal Chair: yes Mr Dolesponger, Clearly you were backed into a corner by uncaring management and their blatant disregard of your right to go about your duties without being caught thieving, on that basis I find that you were unfairly dismissed despite only working there for two days.

This tribunal orders that your former employer, The All Balls, Bollocks & Balls Ball Bearing Company:
  1. Pays your salary from the day of your unfair dismissal to date at the average rate paid to employees doing similar work between then and now
  2. Pays you interest at 12% p.a. on the unpaid salary referred to above.
  3. Pays you hurt feelings compensation equivalent to the sum of items 1 & 2 above
  4. Reinstates you to your former post with immediate effect and immediately allows you to resign with the dignity denied you by their unfair dismissal. They are to pay you one month in lieu of notice for each year since your dismissal. If your former post no longer exists then statutory redundancy payment will be made (based on the years since you were engaged to today at today's pay rates) following the normal consultation process.
  5. Honours the Company pension scheme commitment to you as if you had been been dismissed and still worked for them.
Quite clearly, this company has ruined your life by arbitrarily dismissing you for something that was clearly of their own making. Hopefully this order will show the world that employers cannot escape responsibility for their cavalier actions of fifty years ago. Have a nice retirement Mr. Dolesponger.​
Worth trying. I let you know how I get on.

 
#28
For help with your PTSD, Contact COMBAT STRESS; 0800 138 1619.

Email; contactus@combatstress.org.uk or see www.combatstress.org.uk

OR Contact;

The new Armed Forces Mental Health Support called VETERAN'S MENTAL HEALTH TRANSITION, INTERVENTION & LIAISON SERVICE; 0300 323 0137, or 24/7 HELPLINE; 0300 323 0139.

Or ask your GP to refer you by emailing; mevs.mhm@nhs.net

Also contact the VETERANS UK; 02392 702 232 or call the HELPLINE; 0808 1914 218.

See website; www.gov.uk/mod

To discuss your pension as you may be entitled to a review.

There is help out there.
 
#29
For help with your PTSD, Contact COMBAT STRESS; 0800 138 1619.

Email; contactus@combatstress.org.uk or see www.combatstress.org.uk

OR Contact;

The new Armed Forces Mental Health Support called VETERAN'S MENTAL HEALTH TRANSITION, INTERVENTION & LIAISON SERVICE; 0300 323 0137, or 24/7 HELPLINE; 0300 323 0139.

Or ask your GP to refer you by emailing; mevs.mhm@nhs.net

Also contact the VETERANS UK; 02392 702 232 or call the HELPLINE; 0808 1914 218.

See website; www.gov.uk/mod

To discuss your pension as you may be entitled to a review.

There is help out there.
Some very good info there, particularly the Samaritans booklet which I've pinched and attached to this post, however if he thinks his War Pension needs reviewing he should contact veterans uk, they will send him the form to complete or he could download the form from the following link and send it off:

https://assets.publishing.service.g...data/file/736761/WPS0012_-_online_version.pdf

A more informative and non-Gloucester based link to veterans uk welfare services is here:

Veterans Welfare Service
 

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#31
HI folks not sure if you can help in 72 I signed up went to Woolwich did half my training bought my self out half way through training for twenty pounds as it wasn't for me only joined through peer pressure as had four brothers in forces was out about eight months no works etc joined back up gave it another try remember I had only done half of my training so like I said joined up sent to Woolwich again I was put in the req billit no matter who I said it to that my training hadn't finished no one listened any way I was at Woolwich for about five days shipped to Germany then within maybe another few days I was on the streets of Ireland no tin city no training for Ireland etc any way the regt I joined my brothers used to serve in they couldn't believe I was there untrained any way I managed to do what I could allways taile Charlie lol on patrol you can't imagine what was going through this eighteen year olds head one day we used to go to black Mountain I was in the snatch motor ready to go a officer a bdr and a Sgt plus driver jumped we set of with me through the hatch facing forward of we go but the idiot officer set of with out back up vehicle so hitting a certain area we was ambushed I was up in hatch no one watching my back shots fired dropped down they thought I had copped one in the head the Sgt and bdr were shot plus a woman officer panicky shouting have we to stop to his sgt but the Sgt was shot any way folks they evacuated to hospital I was sent to black Mountain you can't imaging the state of mind I was in remember this was a guy with no training we came back to Germany but it was to late for me p.t.s.d had set in drinking awol etc no help from any one I was left to my own devices was glass housed a few times they was ordered to break me and believe me the stuff they did to me was unbelievable it was mental and physical torture any way I was out as a undesirable the officer was court martial is my understanding I was informed he and the N.C.Os had lied at court martial there is so much to this story to be told it was so wrong what happened it was a conspiracy I feel to get rid of me so I was the only one who knew what happened now many years on and having to carry this burden of you can call it a white feather of shame I was fineally diagnosed with p.t.s.d in 2013 given a war pension that's it when they broke me I was called in front of c.o he just said do you want to leave I said yes he just said ok discharged I was wondering if any of you know of a way I can get this ruling overy turned as really I was suffering from undiagnosed p.t.s.d that they hadn't picked up on I ended up with alcoholism /mental institutes/prison been sober twelve years now this has been with me for over fifty years now was just wondering if it could be over turned thank you for your time reg
HI folks not sure if you can help. In 72 I signed up went to Woolwich did half my training, bought myself out half way through training for twenty pounds as it wasn't for me only joined through peer pressure as had four brothers in forces.

I was out about eight months no work etc joined back up gave it another try, remember I had only done half of my training, so like I said I joined up and was sent to Woolwich again. I was put in the req billit and no matter who I said it to that my training hadn't finished no one listened.

Anyway I was at Woolwich for about five days shipped to Germany then within maybe another few days I was on the streets of Ireland, no tin city, no training for Ireland etc. Anyway the regt I joined my brothers used to serve in they couldn't believe I was there untrained; I managed to do what I could always “taile Charlie lol” (?) on patrol you can't imagine what was going through this eighteen year olds head.

One day we went to black Mountain, I was in the snatch motor ready to go, an officer, a bdr and a Sgt plus driver jumped in and we set off with me through the hatch facing forward. Off we go but the idiot officer set off without a backup vehicle so hitting a certain area we were ambushed. I was up in hatch, no one watching my back, shots fired, I dropped down. They thought I had copped one in the head, the Sgt and bdr were shot, plus a woman officer panicky shouting “have we to stop” to his sgt, but the Sgt was shot any way. Folks they evacuated to hospital, I was sent to black Mountain, you can't imaging the state of mind I was in, remember this was a guy with no training.

We came back to Germany but it was too late for me, p.t.s.d had set in, drinking, awol etc no help from anyone, I was left to my own devices. I was glass housed a few times and they were ordered to break me and believe me, the stuff they did to me was unbelievable, it was mental and physical torture.

Anyway, I was out as a undesirable, the officer was court martial is my understanding, I was informed he and the N.C.Os had lied at court martial. There is so much to this story to be told, it was so wrong what happened, it was a conspiracy I feel to get rid of me so I was the only one who knew what happened.

Now many years on and having to carry this burden, you can call it a white feather of shame I was finally diagnosed with p.t.s.d in 2013, given a war pension and that's it. When they broke me I was called in front of c.o he just said “do you want to leave?” I said “yes” he just said “ok discharged”.

I was wondering if any of you know of a way I can get this ruling over turned, as really I was suffering from undiagnosed p.t.s.d that they hadn't picked up on. I ended up with alcoholism /mental institutes/prison. I have been sober twelve years now, but this has been with me for over fifty years now. I was just wondering if it could be over turned?

Thank you for your time

Reg
 
#32
I don't know about Commas, Commer etc, but I'm heading into a

 
#33
If this is how you treat one of your own who has p.t.s.d and has writing issues you should be ashamed of your selves if this had been another veteran not as strong as me you could have done Un repairable damage any one who thinks this story is crap you can willingly look at my records ok the white feather thing wasn't right wording but the rest is true shame on you for the records brothers had moved on from said regiment by the time I got there I was on my own oh but I can give you name of those shot shamefully way to treat some one with ptsd combat stress helped move me on
 
#34
Say again, over.

Your lack of paragraphs and errors made your post difficult to read, a couple of us tried to tidy it up, so your issue could be more comprehensible for other users to help you.

I admit, you did get the usual banter, but in-between that you did get some sound advice. And what would the Forces be without the bantz? Oh wait, you never actually completed basic did you? ;)

Hope you get the help you need.
 

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#35
And another added to the ignore list
 
#36
If this is how you treat one of your own who has p.t.s.d and has writing issues you should be ashamed of your selves if this had been another veteran not as strong as me you could have done Un repairable damage any one who thinks this story is crap you can willingly look at my records ok the white feather thing wasn't right wording but the rest is true shame on you for the records brothers had moved on from said regiment by the time I got there I was on my own oh but I can give you name of those shot shamefully way to treat some one with ptsd combat stress helped move me on
To summarise the replies you have had and put a lid on your stream of consciousness:

1. Interesting backstory but boils down to: you were offered a discharge and you freely took it. End.

2. You have PTSD and receive a War Pension for it. A review is possible if you believe it has got worse and a link to this has been supplied. End.

3. Your ability to write is almost nonexistent. Get someone to help you. End.

There is no conspiracy or historical unfairness that you can address on here.
 
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#37
previous posts have listed all the help and advice that is on offer, I do not have the knowledge t
If this is how you treat one of your own who has p.t.s.d and has writing issues you should be ashamed of your selves if this had been another veteran not as strong as me you could have done Un repairable damage any one who thinks this story is crap you can willingly look at my records ok the white feather thing wasn't right wording but the rest is true shame on you for the records brothers had moved on from said regiment by the time I got there I was on my own oh but I can give you name of those shot shamefully way to treat some one with ptsd combat stress helped move me on

FFS, proof read your post, full stops, commas, paragraphs. it makes it easier to understand.
 
#38
If this is how you treat one of your own who has p.t.s.d and has writing issues you should be ashamed of your selves if this had been another veteran not as strong as me you could have done Un repairable damage any one who thinks this story is crap you can willingly look at my records ok the white feather thing wasn't right wording but the rest is true shame on you for the records brothers had moved on from said regiment by the time I got there I was on my own oh but I can give you name of those shot shamefully way to treat some one with ptsd combat stress helped move me on

A picture paints a thousand words (and needs no punctuation)
 
#39
FFS, proof read your post, full stops, commas, paragraphs. it makes it easier tounderstand.
You really are a bright chap aren't you... the OP, @regibaby has said on at least two occasions that written English is a challenge too far for him.

If you have nothing constructive, helpful or even topically amusing, then may I suggest you just do one.
 
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