Help wanted with old photo please

#1
This is a photograph of four brothers with their mother, believed taken in late 1918 or early 1919.

Will somebody please tell me what is indicated by those four inverted chevrons on the lower right arm of the Royal Artillery sergeant.

Just the suggestion of a badge on the right arm of the Sapper who is seated. Does anybody recognise it please.

Thanks.
 

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#2
I may be wrong but the inverted chevrons might be good conduct stripes?
Wound stripes were generally on the soldiers left cuff.
Hope this helps!
 
#3
havnt seen them for donkeys deff good conducts.
 
#6
They are service chevrons, one awarded for each year of active service in WW1. That indicating service in 1914 was red and subsequent others were blue.
 
#7
Many thanks for the help. I wondered about stripes for years of service, but thought they were worn on the left arm, and taken down by the time of reaching rank of sergeant.

That lot is my father and his three brothers, with their mother.
 
#8
Very interesting question, the Spams (the old Army and Marines I think) had a inverted slash chevron for each 5 year served? So old sweats wearing their "blues dress" had an arm of gold.

The Auzzies had something similar...

The badge will consist of an inverted single chevron of service braid to be worn on the left forearm - the point of the chevron to be 3 inches above the edge of the cuff.

So left not right ?

They are not wound stripes see here....

http://www.qohldrs.co.uk/html/lovat_scouts.htm


Must be some drop shorts with an answer out there :D
 
#9
Inverted chevrons are definitely for service as stated above, red for 1914, blue for subsequent years. So by the looks of things your great uncle (?) joined in 1916. The arm badge on the seated blokey might be a tank. Though the cap badge looks wrong for Royal Tank Corps.

Edited to add; cap badge could be RTC, have a look at this-

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...?q=Royal+Tank+Corps&gbv=2&svnum=10&hl=en&sa=G
 
#10
Brewmeister, that sounds a good suggestion of possibly that badge being a tank. The Royal Engineers were involved in many things, so why not tanks.

My uncle, the Royal Artillery Sergeant entered theatre of operations France 28 September 1915 according to his Medal Index Card, and I am obliged for the explanations of what those inverted chevrons mean.

My father is the Royal Marines bloke in the photo, the youngest of the four brothers, he joined the RMLI in September 1918.
 
#11
Front right hand chap is not wearing a Sapper badge but after blowing it up in Photoeditor, I don't think it is Tank Corps either. Might be ASC going by the shape. I don't think the chap behind him is a Sapper either.
 
#12
old_bloke said:
Very interesting question, the Spams (the old Army and Marines I think) had a inverted slash chevron for each 5 year served? So old sweats wearing their "blues dress" had an arm of gold.

The Auzzies had something similar...

The badge will consist of an inverted single chevron of service braid to be worn on the left forearm - the point of the chevron to be 3 inches above the edge of the cuff.

So left not right ?

They are not wound stripes see here....

http://www.qohldrs.co.uk/html/lovat_scouts.htm


Must be some drop shorts with an answer out there :D
Service stripes are still used by the US Army on dress uniforms. Small horizontal stripes on the right lower sleeve, each six months spent in combat and diagonal stripes on the left each denoting three years of service.
 
#13
The chap in the back row was definitely a Sapper at that time, I know his history well and towards the end of his long, long service we served in the same TA Infantry Battalion.

I took it the badge was the R.E. voided centre badge, 'King's Crown' GV of WW1.
 
#15
Terrific old photo's of 17/21 Lancers. Thanks for posting them.

Anybody got any more old photo's. Be great to see them.

Edited to add: I have just seen the thread for family military photographs. Sorry. I posted my enquiry in the wrong slot. It's still great to see those old photo's though
 
#16
They are overseas chevrons not service chevrons, they were issue in 1918, Red 1914, then Blue each year after, I would say the photo was taken in 1918-1920, as there are medal ribbions on show. The 1914 Star, 1914/15 Star was issue from late 1917, the British War Medal & Victroy medal was issue from 1919-1921 and after. The badge do look like RFA, RM, RE, RTR. If you have all there names, then I would get the medal index cards from the National Archives online. from this it will give you there Army Nos & units/Regiments. Then you could go and find there service records.
 
#17
Themonstar, I think you are absolutely right about that being a badge of the original Tank Corps for the chap sitting down, which would accord well with the badge on his arm. Well spotted.

I know the full service records and much more of three of the brothers, it is the one sitting down who is the mystery. Initially I thought he was in the royal Artillery for just WW1, then I discovered he had about fifteen years service, and got to Bolougne, Brugges, Singapore, Malaya, Hong Kong, Shanghai, and perhaps other places.

I met him a number of times when I was a youngster, and visited his house in London, but at that time only thought of him as a member of the staff of London Transport who had been in the Great War from about 1917.

I know a lot about him from the time he left the army, but those fifteen or so years are a mystery.

There is no Medal Index Card for him, and I have been completely unable to track down his regimental number, but bit by bit it is coming together.

Going to London to search the records is unfortunately not an option for me.

Looking at that cap badge under a powerful magnifying glass I do think you are right about the Tank Corps, and you have given me a new lead to follow. Many thanks.
 

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