Help needed in a Racialistic case (not racist)

#1
Evening all,

Today at work we were debating the topic that Al-Qaeda had managed to get into the ranks of the UK police forces. a nice debate point thinks me.

I offer my ten pennerth that as I work in the Forensic sides of policing, wouldn't it be spooky if the al Queda had a sleeper in the forensic team, with the ability to damage,delay or hinder the processing of possible terrorist linked exhibits.......

The room went quiet ...at that point I remembered the muslim girl working downstairs in the storage area,

The comment of mine was a general comment, no racialism or racist intent, but should I now be looking for a decent legal rep? prior to an interview minus coffee and a suspension. I'm a 22 years served 43 year old man by the way. Not a young thruster any more

Noted that I have served in Bosnia in 94 where we all attempted to help the muslims in times of need and HAVE NO DISRESPECT for muslims other than the ****-heads who are trying to level the country.

Comments please..good or bad would be appreciated
 

Nehustan

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#2
I'm about to do a forensic anthropology course, so I'll come and find you when they discover the unmarked grave.

I don't think you've done anything wrong given the recent reports about 'known' people in the MP and others services. My advice in this situation would be to go to the girl in question, relate the conversation, relate you thoughts, and explain that it was said in general not as a specific. If you have a mutual friend, perhaps take HER with you to act as witness, and steer clear of having the same debate over with the colleague (i.e. the Muslim) but just explain that you got to thinking tonight that someone might have thought you were talking about her specifically and that you wanted to prime her before that happened...
 

Nehustan

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#4
medman82 said:
Nehustan, thanks for the advice, don't want to risk makng apologies to her if she isn't actually offended.
Well apologising when no one is offended is better than not if they are, or might be. 'Nipped in the bud' springs to mind. In the current climate she will probably appreciate your upfront approach, and be reassured that you have no wish to make her feel marginalised or alienated.
 
#5
Don't listen to Nehustan, he is a scouser.... Worst of the worst!
 
#7
well sounds as if you consider her as a collegue first and not a muslim- which is as it should be
 
#8
Poppy said:
well sounds as if you consider her as a collegue first and not a muslim- which is as it should be
Poppy surely that should be more along the lines of "...and the fact she is Muslim is irrelevant." Medman if it does come to it you need to maintain your original distinction between AQ and Muslims in general. Writing something down might help, the danger if it comes will be that your words will be twisted, either by accident or design.
 
#9
I offer my ten pennerth that as I work in the Forensic sides of policing, wouldn't it be spooky if the al Queda had a sleeper in the forensic team, with the ability to damage,delay or hinder the processing of possible terrorist linked exhibits.......
I see no racist bias in your comment. You spoke of a thing that is possible.
 
#10
Bugly said:
I offer my ten pennerth that as I work in the Forensic sides of policing, wouldn't it be spooky if the al Queda had a sleeper in the forensic team, with the ability to damage,delay or hinder the processing of possible terrorist linked exhibits.......
I see no racist bias in your comment. You spoke of a thing that is possible.
And has precedent to an extent. PIRA bombed FSNI to achieve a similar but more general effect.
 
#11
Your entitled to have a debate about anything and anyone so don't feel as though you need to justify yourself to someone who wasn't part of that debate , if you do you might as well stand out side and explain your thoughts to all who aren’t the same as you ..... it's called freedom of speech and you have a right to use it.
 
#12
I wouldn't apologise because

1 - it was a hypothetical scenario

2 - you did not direct the comment to anyone specifically

3 - it was in a debate round

If the lady is offended, I would start thinking why...
 
#13
Conversation at work today:"I shouldn't worry if I were you,You're a Hindu (terrorrist) not a Muslim"
Reply" Thanks very much-you Scottish bastard!"

Should I turn myself in to HR?
 
#14
I wouldn't apologise because your not in the wrong, stop thinking like some oppressor of the 'victim' minority. Despite your 22 years you have evidently almost been 100% conditioned by PC culture :x .

Your concerns are highly justified, in fact what you should do (I certainly would) is drop a dime on her to Mi5 stating your suspicions*, this way;

You have done your duty if she turns out to be a AQ sleeper or a sympathiser 8) .

You are covered if one of your Guardianista PC mates grasses you up (which you know is highly likely overwise you wouldn't have posted this thread on ARRSE). You can then get Mi5 to have a look at the extreme left wing AQ support structure in your workplace that is attempting to get you sacked, hopefully getting special branch to trawl through their lives in the usual clumsy manner, with the possible bonus of getting the Americans involved :D :lol: .


*edited to add pm me with the details if you want me to do this for you
 
#15
Many thanks for all the replies. Things were a bit "quiet" at work today..

I think she (the asian lady) had been informed but didn't take any formal action that i am aware of. It was comforting to get some good advice although she might have planted a complaint to my supervisor, who may now be keeping a distant eye on me, which doesn't bother me because I'm normally open and accountable in my actions.

Thanks again Ladies and Gents.
 
#16
medman82 said:
Many thanks for all the replies. Things were a bit "quiet" at work today..

I think she (the asian lady) had been informed but didn't take any formal action that i am aware of. It was comforting to get some good advice although she might have planted a complaint to my supervisor, who may now be keeping a distant eye on me, which doesn't bother me because I'm normally open and accountable in my actions.

Thanks again Ladies and Gents.
So one of your workmates told the asian lady of a non event and then the asian lady complained to your supervisor of this non event ? your place of work must be a bundle of fun 8O
 
#17
Medman, I don't think you have anything at all to worry about, if what you wrote on this forum is actually all you said during this discussion. However, I work in the same field as you, and know from bitter experience how these sort of things can get twisted, and before you know it you're in the sh1t. Jihad me old mate,I have no idea where you are coming from. Let's get this right; you tip the wink to the intelligence services about an asian woman who is clearly a terrorist because, er, she is Asian and works in a forensics dept. I know who they would investigate...and it ain't her. I very rarely criticise anybody on here, we are all entitled to our own honestly held, if skewed beliefs, but you take the biscuit. Have you not considered that pesky little thing that gets in the way of all investigations.........EVIDENCE, or at least reasonable suspicion. Apparently you are guilty if you are an Asian woman, and dare to work in a forensics dept. Naive and misguided springs to mind. Rant over. To get back on track, I would not feel the need to speak to this woman, but I would make sure that I would get backup from those that were in on the conversation, that you were speaking generally, and not levelling accusations at anyone. Get the fall backs in place and keep your powder dry mate. I speak from one who has been through it, and it ain't pleasant.
 
#18
Another example of a PC mad world. So what if you have a muslim in work, you werent saying/accusing her of being that sleeper, it was a purely hypothetical comment.

Gone are the good old days when you could call a spade a spade without anyone thinking it was a racist comment...... Back off Brussels
 
#19
cherryviper said:
Another example of a PC mad world. So what if you have a muslim in work, you werent saying/accusing her of being that sleeper, it was a purely hypothetical comment.

Gone are the good old days when you could call a spade a spade without anyone thinking it was a racist comment...... Back off Brussels
Well said Cherryviper I thought we were in a "FREE" society where we are able to express our thoughts!!!!

It does seam that we now live in a world where the minority rule!!!!!
 

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